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And therefore is winged Cupid painted blind

Why would it be crazy for you to believe that recent rumor? Is it because the gentleman in question is already enjoying a happy preview of his next romantic relationship?

  • Baritenor

    I would imagine that this is in reference to the Kaufman-Madonna hook-up rumors, but can’t cog the rest of it.

  • antikitschychick

    Or that AN and her fiancé announced theyd be getting married in St. Petersburg next summer? Kinda seems too easy…Anywho congrats to the happy couple :-D.

  • EarlyRomantic

    The gentleman is definitely Jonas Kaufmann. It has been said he is dating a soprano, a brunette, that he met in Paris. On the other hand, since she appears to be an unknown quantity, it cannot sufficiently enticing for a thread of its own. So, is it someone else? My € is on Kristine Opolais. Which, of course, would bring a host of complications, not least on her current husband and on poor Boston SO.

  • basso profundo

    Hmmm. Kaufmann could fit the bill in a roundabout way. Currently enjoying a “preview of his next relationship” = i.e., with Opolais, with whom he’s singing in the BSO Manon Lescaut. “Why would it be crazy” = “No, pazzo son…” perhaps?

  • Grane

    “Crazy for You” was a big Madonna hit.

    • rofrano

      Pretty sure that was Blondie.

      • alejandro

        It’s a Madonna song. The theme from the movie “Vision Quest.”

  • Feldmarschallin

    This might possibly be the rumor of Kaufmann and Koch which is not true. He is together with a young Regisseurin aus Wien who is a blonde. Apparently they are very happy together.

    Last night I went and saw Turco and Olga Peretyatko who was one of the biggest disappoints of recent times. Tiny, shrill voice often slightly below the pitch. She does look good and can act but that is about all. She was so bad I was almost tempted to boo but I fled before curtain calls. Certainly will avoid her in the future.

    • Lohengrin

      Kaufmanns sweetheart is to be seen in the latest BUNTE Magazine: she is brunette, very pretty and they seem to be very much in love.
      BTW: did not see a braune Umhängetasche at ML on Thursday…

      • basso profundo

        link please?

        • Lohengrin

          Sorry, only print Bunte.

        • Rackon

          The Bunte picture is from the ML premiere party and shows the happy couple holding hands.

          JK’s (brunette) lady has a website: http://www.christiane-lutz.net

          • basso profundo

            ah, the face of a homewrecker.

            • armerjacquino

              Because she started dating him several months after he announced his separation?

              You’re a real charmer, aren’t you.

            • Rackon

              Armer, they have reportedly been together for some months -- she was with him in NY during the Werther run.

            • basso profundo

              oh, did Jonas ring you up and say “hey armer, just wanted to let you know the official date I started dating her”?

            • armerjacquino

              No, you carry on. If a marriage breaks down, the thing to do is slutshame the husband’s next girlfriend. It makes you look like a real rounded human being, and not any kind of sexist prick.

            • armerjacquino

              Rackon: I was talking about what we know, not what people might speculate on.

              And I loathe the ‘blame the woman’ attitude basso is spouting.

            • basso profundo

              who said I was only blaming the woman? they’re both assholes for doing what they did. He’s just as much of a disgusting creature/bottom-dweller as she is.

              You shouldn’t read things into situations that aren’t there.

            • Feldmarschallin

              Well to say both of to blame for this situation is something I think no one here really has the knowledge to talk about or comment on. We know that the marriage wasn’t working and it is none of our business why the Kaufmanns got divorced. It is a private matter. Now I have to say that I do feel sorry for his wife and the children especially. But sometimes it is worse to just stay together if things aren’t working. But a very close friend of mine thinks he should have stayed at home until the children are grown.

            • armerjacquino

              Feld is right. None of us knows the sum total of fuck all about what ended Kaufmann’s marriage and it’s childish to pretend we do.

              And I love the Through-the-Looking-Glass idea that saying ‘the face of a homewrecker’ *isn’t* apportioning blame.

            • Lohengrin

              The best thing in such cases is to finish an ugly situation as soft as possible and keep the good things for future. I myself know this out of my life. We do not know what happened the years and months before the separation and the beginning of the new love.
              Hopefully all involved are satisfied with the announced arrangement.
              For us operalovers and fans of JK is the most important thing that he is enabled to sing and play for his audience.

            • basso profundo

              You’re still not understanding. Of COURSE saying “the face of a homewrecker” is assigning blame to her. She IS at least half to blame!

              The issue is, we all already knew what the face of the OTHER homewrecker looked like, i.e., Jonas Kaufmann.

              Now we know who she is too. So both of them, vile bottom-feeders that they are, are to blame.

            • basso profundo

              “Hopefully all involved are satisfied with the announced arrangement.”

              “Schatzi, I’m leaving you and our children to be with a younger woman. I realize you sacrificed your career for us to have a family and to support my burgeoning fame. But I still would rather schnackseln with someone much younger than you. No hard feelings?”

              yes, I’m sure his wife is very satisfied with the new “arrangement”….

            • Feldmarschallin

              Well men will always trade in their older wives for younger ones. Look at Murdoch and poor Anna who gave him his children and was married with him for 50 years. Then Summner Redstone is another one. Another 50 year marriage but both had to pay about a billion and rightly so. Funny thing is that Murdoch now also divorced the golddigger and he finally saw through her. I doubt that Frau Kaufmann or the other ladies were pleased with the outcome but you make do with the cards that are dealt. I really do not believe that she is happier now raising her three children alone but at least she and the children will be reasonably be taken care of. At least with Kaufmann one cannot say he picked bimbos like the other two did. The new love looks similiar to his ex actually. Not some tarted up young vile creature who slept her way to the top (like the second Mrs Murdoch).

            • Feldmarschallin

              Make that the third Mrs Murdoch since there was a brief marriage before Anna.

            • DellaCasaFan

              basso profundo says:
              “So both of them, vile bottom-feeders that they are, are to blame.”

              Blame for what? For falling in love? As anyone else, JK could not have fallen in love with someone else without falling out of love with his spouse. And we don’t know what was going on in that marriage to set them apart. It’s their private matter. I’ve seen people emotionally scarred for growing up with parents who stayed in their loveless marriage for the sake of their children. Divorce would have been much better for all involved. It’s the 21st century, after all.

            • Lohengrin

              Cannot find that Ms.Lutz looks similar to Mrs. Kaufmann except she is tall. She has dark hair, brown eyes and a different expression of her face. Mostly she seems to have a different personality (talked to people who had met her before anybody knew that she is together with JK).
              Mrs. Kaufmann sang Winterreise two weeks ago in Saarbrücken and also Verdi Requiem in Köln. She gave an interview to Saarländischer Rundfunk:
              http://sr-mediathek.sr-online.de/index.php?seite=7&id=28851

            • basso profundo

              “Well men will always trade in their older wives for younger ones.”

              really Feld? do most women know this when they get married?

            • Rudolf

              @ Lohengrin
              Thank you for posting this interesting interview which Margarete Joswig gave the Saarlaendischer Rundfunk.
              :)

            • Guestoria Unpopularenka

              By the way, I don’t necessarily empathize with women who gave up their career for their husbands. It was a choice they made and must have or should have considered the possibility of a divorce down the line. At least he makes a lot of money, so she won’t have to apply for food stamps.

          • SilvestriWoman
            • Cicciabella

              She looks ten to fifteen years younger than him. Expect a Mr Stork announcement some time soon..

            • Lohengrin

              She is 10 years younger, look at her Website.

            • Cicciabella

              Lohengrin, I don’t know why I would, but I looked at her website, although I don’t believe people publish their DOB on their professional sites. Her website tells me this: Dezember 2012 Regieassistenz „Lohengrin“ (D: Daniel Barenboim, I: Claus Guth), Teatro alla Scala. This is no longer a fun topic, so I’ll just leave it at that.

            • Lohengrin

              There is the year of her Abitur and unsually in the country where she went to school you do it in the age of 19 or 20. So she should be born 1979 or 1980.

            • Lohengrin

              Sorry, mistake in the text:
              unsually -> usually

    • Bluevicks

      Feld said:
      “Well men will always trade in their older wives for younger ones.”

      Statements such as these say quite a lot about the expectations (or lack thereof) about men in our current ”tolerant” societies.

      And the fact that dumping ”older wives” for younger ones is considered as acceptable and normal as far as men are concerned is even more telling. I have still fond memories of how Gheorgiu was mocked on Parterre for daring to associate herself with a young man.

      I also like the categorizations and generalizations about men as a whole. After all, don’t they ”ALWAYS” prefer younger women? Don’t they ”ALWAYS” dump their older wives? I also like how Murdoch’s second wife is considered as a ”gold digger” (among other nice terms) while Murdoch itself is left untouched. The poor thing finally ”saw through her” after all….

      As for the general thread itself (and JK’s love life), I can’t understand how we are supposed to have the right to judge and evaluate people’s character and morality when we have no knowledge of them whatsoever. But ahtt may be just me.

      • Guestoria Unpopularenka

        Of course this double standard exists. It believe ultimately stems from the fact that an old man-young woman couple can produce a child, while an old woman-young man can’t. But I think slowly this perception is changing.

        And I think the issue with Gheorghiu was not so much age difference, but the fact that shehad exhibited signs of emotional instability coupled with some short lived liaisons questionable people.

        • Bluevicks

          If my memories are correct, catty comments about Gheorghiu emerged first when she appeared on the red carpet with pop singer David Bisbal. She and Alagna were at the beginning of their separation back then (he posted pictures of his new love on Facebook just before) and there was no indication that she was involved intimately with Bisbal in any way. Despite this, some commenters on here thought it appropriate to mock her and to label her as ”desperate” while Alagna’s very public love affair was not scorned as much.

          I think that for some, double standards are still the norm. The coupling of old men-young women are increasingly accepted in the public view: see for instance all these young girls who boast on social medias about how they are paid and groomed by their sugar daddies. Personally, this begs interesting questions about the real status of women in our societies (which may be outside the scope of the present discussion). It seems to me, that in terms of self respect and perceptions of women, many aspects in our current societies still need to be challenged. This is not easy however, because these aspects are related to commercial reasons.

          In terms of celebrity gossip, I rather like the Nero-Redgrave relationship story because it is not typical. Among other things, it also shows that at least *some* men are still willing to live with people of similar age when they get older.

          http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/7817915/Vanessa-Redgrave-speaks-about-marriage-to-second-husband-for-the-first-time.html

      • Feldmarschallin

        Murdoch deserved his third wife. She took him to the cleaners and that her purpose from the start and he is scum. He did finally see it and it cost but why not spread his money around a bit. The only one I felt sorry for was for Anna. There are many men who stay happily loyal and committed to their first wives but sadly in this day and age it is often the case especially when men are very successful and get into middle age or beyond to feel they either have to buy a Porsche or have a young wife.

        • Cicciabella

          The third Mrs Murdoch certainly made a fool of Rupert. Not that he couldn’t see it coming. This is a woman who broke up the married couple who sponsored her American student visa. They took her into their home and treated her like a daughter. Eventually she was married to the husband long enough to get a green card. And she’s not some “tarted up” bimbo either, but an Ivy League-educated smart and elegant woman. You’ve got to hand it to Murdoch, though: when he had horns put on his head, real or inagined, the implicated third party was none other than Tony Blair. Appartenly, Mrs Murdoch admired details of Tony’s physique in her diary. Now that’s living big. Sadly, two young children are involved in that divorce.

          • Feldmarschallin

            Well she kept trading up men until she got to Murdoch. She dumped the man who sponsored her for her American visa for another one who got quickly jumped when a richer man came into the picture.

  • Buster

    Blind minus the B = Lind = Eva Lind. That would make sense. She is easily mistaken for a French soprano these
    days:

  • Cicciabella

    So many correct guesses. “Crazy for You” was indeed a Madonna hit. But the reason you wouldn’t believe this particular rumour? On another thread, La Cieca links to the NY Times review of the Munich Manon Lescaut. Pleny of hints in that one by Ms Fonseca. The Bunte item could be a decoy, or a story that’s already fizzling out. You can’t say you didn’t see this coming.

    • Often admonished

      You can’t say you didn’t see this coming

      I didn’t see this coming

      • Cicciabella

        It’s OK. I won’t admonish you, seeing as I was talking out of my behind anyway, as per the current evidence.

    • Flora del Rio Grande

      Rather amusing that everyone is taking such an interest in Herr Kaufmann’s so-called private life. Somehow this reminds me of the advice Zinka the Great used to give singer friends, “No singer should ever marry another singer! She should marry a banker or doctor, someone who will take care of her!”
      Well, now, how about Jugoslavian generals, Mme Zinka? (:)

      • Cicciabella

        My fascination in this case is with the predictability of straight middle-aged male behaviour. No matter the social status, the usual pattern is: 1. Leave wife and children betwen mid-forties to early fifties. 2. Set up with a younger woman. 3. The younger woman usually wants a family of her own, so a second family follows. It’s the exceptional man that chooses a partner his own age: the higher the man’s social currency in terms of money, status and success, the less likely he’ll be one of the exceptions. I hate to break it to Basso, but women know this, especially the ones who go after succesful married men. Surly stepchildren, child support and visitation complications don’t seem to deter them in the least. And men are equally aware they can always trade their cohort for a younger woman. If only I had a thousand pounds for every man I know with a younger second wife or girlfriend…In any case, private lives are private. But if Peter Gelb hires her to direct an HD special, heaven help her if she messes up.

        • Quanto Painy Fakor

          Straight men are so predictable and so boring!

  • Quanto Painy Fakor

    And from the website of Christianne Lutz we learn that “Anna Netrebko takes over patronage for children’s opera in the Esterházy Palace”
    See: http://esterhazy.at/de/Presse/pressemeldungen/3853104/Anna-Netrebko-ubernimmt-Patronanz-fur-Kinderoper-im-Schloss-Esterhazy

  • DeepSouthSenior

    There are more rumors flying around Parterre than at a middle school cafeteria. I’ve yet to separate the nerds from the “beautiful people,” though. At least I know which group I’m in.

    • Flora del Rio Grande

      Deep South, oh really? And what group would that be?

      your old admiring Flora Bervoix (del Rio Grande)

  • arepo
    • Cicciabella

      You’ve cracked it, arepo. I hope the film is better than the play, which was boring: a little bit like the solution to this blind item.

    • Quanto Painy Fakor

      That’s one goodlookin cast they have assembled for the film.

    • laddie

      • Cicciabella

        Review of the film: http://tinyurl.com/p85yaot. It sounds like they completely rewrote the play, which is just as well. “I demand variation.” “You were my sexual awakening. Thank you.” So many tempting quotations…but I’ll refrain.

      • Jungfer Marianne Leitmetzerin

        I’ll be going to the gala Austrian premiere in early January. I’m a big fan of Michael Sturminger’s work as a playwright, librettist, and director.