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		<title>By: CruzSF</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/07/01/peters-principles/comment-page-2/#comment-139994</link>
		<dc:creator>CruzSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 17:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI: Midgette has published more of her Gelb interview at her blog. This part of the interview focuses on new operas.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-classical-beat/2010/07/peter_gelb_talks_some_more.html

or: http://bit.ly/dx30FN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI: Midgette has published more of her Gelb interview at her blog. This part of the interview focuses on new operas.</p>
<p><a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-classical-beat/2010/07/peter_gelb_talks_some_more.html" rel="nofollow">http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-classical-beat/2010/07/peter_gelb_talks_some_more.html</a></p>
<p>or: <a href="http://bit.ly/dx30FN" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/dx30FN</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sanford</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/07/01/peters-principles/comment-page-2/#comment-139993</link>
		<dc:creator>Sanford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 16:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we need more Doyle, not less. How about a Puritani in which Trebs not only hangs her head into the pit, but plays the instruments, too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we need more Doyle, not less. How about a Puritani in which Trebs not only hangs her head into the pit, but plays the instruments, too?</p>
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		<title>By: scifisci</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/07/01/peters-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-139992</link>
		<dc:creator>scifisci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 16:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>La cieca, gelb did in fact, in print say something to the effect of, &quot;often times, director&#039;s from outside the genre who know nothing about opera are able to produce brilliant results&quot;  If brunch wasn&#039;t beckoning I would find the quotation immediately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>La cieca, gelb did in fact, in print say something to the effect of, &#8220;often times, director&#8217;s from outside the genre who know nothing about opera are able to produce brilliant results&#8221;  If brunch wasn&#8217;t beckoning I would find the quotation immediately.</p>
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		<title>By: Quanto Painy Fakor</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/07/01/peters-principles/comment-page-2/#comment-139985</link>
		<dc:creator>Quanto Painy Fakor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gelb = schmuck &#124; sh m?k&#124; (also shmuck)
noun informal
a foolish or contemptible person.
ORIGIN late 19th cent.: from Yiddish shmok ‘penis.’</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gelb = schmuck | sh m?k| (also shmuck)<br />
noun informal<br />
a foolish or contemptible person.<br />
ORIGIN late 19th cent.: from Yiddish shmok ‘penis.’</p>
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		<title>By: Alto</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/07/01/peters-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-139867</link>
		<dc:creator>Alto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 01:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My goodness. You&#039;ve certainly got me there. I had no idea that that&#039;s what you were referring to. I&#039;ve certainly never heard this one: “Peter Gelb has said, on the record [or, sometimes, &quot;repeatedly&quot;], that he hates opera,” and I can&#039;t imagine who would think Peter Gelb stupid enough to do such a thing. Possibly his chief characteristic is strict custody of his public words -- as befits a marketing adept. And are you seriously suggesting that people actually say that he deploys such as Zimmerman specifically to destroy opera? Where are you hearing such stuff?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My goodness. You&#8217;ve certainly got me there. I had no idea that that&#8217;s what you were referring to. I&#8217;ve certainly never heard this one: “Peter Gelb has said, on the record [or, sometimes, "repeatedly"], that he hates opera,” and I can&#8217;t imagine who would think Peter Gelb stupid enough to do such a thing. Possibly his chief characteristic is strict custody of his public words &#8212; as befits a marketing adept. And are you seriously suggesting that people actually say that he deploys such as Zimmerman specifically to destroy opera? Where are you hearing such stuff?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Jikes</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/07/01/peters-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-139857</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Jikes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 22:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Betsy - nice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Betsy &#8211; nice!</p>
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		<title>By: La Cieca</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/07/01/peters-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-139849</link>
		<dc:creator>La Cieca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 21:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s keep our memes straight here. Not &quot;Peter Gelb doesn&#039;t like opera,&quot; but rather &quot;Peter Gelb has &lt;I&gt;said&lt;/i&gt;, on the record [or, sometimes, &quot;repeatedly&quot;], that he hates opera.&quot;

The second statement has never been corroborated. The first is more of a judgment call, but La Cieca has to say this: there are plenty of people who do a very good job at something for which they have no particular passion, and there are plenty of opera queens who couldn&#039;t run an opera company for a day. There are plenty of opera performers, for example, who love to &lt;I&gt;sing&lt;/I&gt; and love the excitement of performance, but they don&#039;t care all that much for opera in the abstract, e.g., they don&#039;t attend other singers&#039; performances for any but professional or social reasons. So the point is, one can have a passion for the job if not necessarily for the thing the job creates.

Again, all this is &lt;I&gt;if&lt;/i&gt; the &quot;Peter Gelb doesn&#039;t like opera&quot; meme is true, for which, again, I haven&#039;t heard a convincing argument. (&quot;He&#039;s trying to destroy opera by hiring Mary Zimmerman&quot; is a tempting argument, but to me it smacks of the early 1950s notion that the Reds were going to conquer us by turning American youth homosexual via comic books.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s keep our memes straight here. Not &#8220;Peter Gelb doesn&#8217;t like opera,&#8221; but rather &#8220;Peter Gelb has <i>said</i>, on the record [or, sometimes, "repeatedly"], that he hates opera.&#8221;</p>
<p>The second statement has never been corroborated. The first is more of a judgment call, but La Cieca has to say this: there are plenty of people who do a very good job at something for which they have no particular passion, and there are plenty of opera queens who couldn&#8217;t run an opera company for a day. There are plenty of opera performers, for example, who love to <i>sing</i> and love the excitement of performance, but they don&#8217;t care all that much for opera in the abstract, e.g., they don&#8217;t attend other singers&#8217; performances for any but professional or social reasons. So the point is, one can have a passion for the job if not necessarily for the thing the job creates.</p>
<p>Again, all this is <i>if</i> the &#8220;Peter Gelb doesn&#8217;t like opera&#8221; meme is true, for which, again, I haven&#8217;t heard a convincing argument. (&#8220;He&#8217;s trying to destroy opera by hiring Mary Zimmerman&#8221; is a tempting argument, but to me it smacks of the early 1950s notion that the Reds were going to conquer us by turning American youth homosexual via comic books.)</p>
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		<title>By: Unfaithful Zerbinetta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unfaithful Zerbinetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 21:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Betsy.  

As a lady, I apparently have no imperative to take complete or perhaps any responsibility for my actions. WHEEEE!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Betsy.  </p>
<p>As a lady, I apparently have no imperative to take complete or perhaps any responsibility for my actions. WHEEEE!!!</p>
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		<title>By: messa di voce</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/07/01/peters-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-139845</link>
		<dc:creator>messa di voce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 20:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But it is a fact, isn&#039;t it, that Gelb will not hire fat singers? Please, please, tell me that&#039;s true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But it is a fact, isn&#8217;t it, that Gelb will not hire fat singers? Please, please, tell me that&#8217;s true.</p>
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		<title>By: Alto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 19:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very thoughtful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very thoughtful.</p>
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		<title>By: kashania</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/07/01/peters-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-139830</link>
		<dc:creator>kashania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 19:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL. You&#039;re right. I shoudda been prepared.

Joking aside, despite everything that I had heard and read about the work, I went in optimstically, not expecting something great, but hoping to find some potential. I was hoping to see a kernel of something that might show future promise (after all, who gets their first opera right?). And I&#039;m usually not one for hyperbole but it was complete shit. It was like some child&#039;s idea of what opera is with cliches of cliches being paraded on the stage. 

In the middle of the second act, the title character puts on the recording from her last performance. Here, the tenor walks on and the two of them recreate the grand duet from that performance. 

The two characters proceed to sing about their &quot;passionate love&quot; amid the &quot;splendour&quot; of their surrounding and importantly repeat the word &quot;sadness&quot;. In fact &quot;sadness&quot; is the final word of the duet, accompanied by an almost heroic orchestra flourish. First off, characters don&#039;t refer to their love as &quot;passionate&quot;; that&#039;s for the audience to decide. As I watched the scene, I came to horrible realisation that this is really Wainright&#039;s idea of what opera is.

Aside from the parade of endless cliches, there was the puzzling vocal writing. The vocal lines were the same whether the character was asking for a cup of coffee (literally) or making a painful confession.

I was prepared for it to be derivative. It wasn&#039;t a surprise that the music sounded like bad imitations of only the lush parts of &lt;I&gt;Manon Lescaut&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Adriana Lecouvreur&lt;/i&gt; (and a bunch 50s Hollywood melodramas).

What I wasn&#039;t prepared for was Wainright&#039;s idea of what opera is. He calls it a &quot;love song&quot; to the artform. Hate mail was more like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL. You&#8217;re right. I shoudda been prepared.</p>
<p>Joking aside, despite everything that I had heard and read about the work, I went in optimstically, not expecting something great, but hoping to find some potential. I was hoping to see a kernel of something that might show future promise (after all, who gets their first opera right?). And I&#8217;m usually not one for hyperbole but it was complete shit. It was like some child&#8217;s idea of what opera is with cliches of cliches being paraded on the stage. </p>
<p>In the middle of the second act, the title character puts on the recording from her last performance. Here, the tenor walks on and the two of them recreate the grand duet from that performance. </p>
<p>The two characters proceed to sing about their &#8220;passionate love&#8221; amid the &#8220;splendour&#8221; of their surrounding and importantly repeat the word &#8220;sadness&#8221;. In fact &#8220;sadness&#8221; is the final word of the duet, accompanied by an almost heroic orchestra flourish. First off, characters don&#8217;t refer to their love as &#8220;passionate&#8221;; that&#8217;s for the audience to decide. As I watched the scene, I came to horrible realisation that this is really Wainright&#8217;s idea of what opera is.</p>
<p>Aside from the parade of endless cliches, there was the puzzling vocal writing. The vocal lines were the same whether the character was asking for a cup of coffee (literally) or making a painful confession.</p>
<p>I was prepared for it to be derivative. It wasn&#8217;t a surprise that the music sounded like bad imitations of only the lush parts of <i>Manon Lescaut</i> and <i>Adriana Lecouvreur</i> (and a bunch 50s Hollywood melodramas).</p>
<p>What I wasn&#8217;t prepared for was Wainright&#8217;s idea of what opera is. He calls it a &#8220;love song&#8221; to the artform. Hate mail was more like it.</p>
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		<title>By: Alto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 19:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A pernicious invention like “Renee Fleming wouldn’t give parterre an interview [etc.]“ is, to be fair, not comparable with &quot;Peter Gelb doesn&#039;t like opera.&quot; By the nature of things, anyone who has heard him express his feelings on the subject is likely to be a former employee (1) whose ethics don&#039;t allow quotes from private encounters for which he/she was paid or (2) has enough sense of self-preservation not to report things that could be traced back to the quoter.

This, I realize, is neither here nor there on the question of the man&#039;s affection or otherwise for opera, but that question is not on the same level as ridiculous inventions like the Renée example. One does hear, however, that a authoritative tell-all book is almost finished that purports to deal with the subject via chapter and verse. (I have nothing at all to do with that work, by the way -- he said defensively.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A pernicious invention like “Renee Fleming wouldn’t give parterre an interview [etc.]“ is, to be fair, not comparable with &#8220;Peter Gelb doesn&#8217;t like opera.&#8221; By the nature of things, anyone who has heard him express his feelings on the subject is likely to be a former employee (1) whose ethics don&#8217;t allow quotes from private encounters for which he/she was paid or (2) has enough sense of self-preservation not to report things that could be traced back to the quoter.</p>
<p>This, I realize, is neither here nor there on the question of the man&#8217;s affection or otherwise for opera, but that question is not on the same level as ridiculous inventions like the Renée example. One does hear, however, that a authoritative tell-all book is almost finished that purports to deal with the subject via chapter and verse. (I have nothing at all to do with that work, by the way &#8212; he said defensively.)</p>
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		<title>By: La Cieca</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Cieca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;I recently saw Prima Donna in Toronto and was not prepared what a dreadful piece of crap it was&lt;/i&gt;

Now, be fair. La Cieca did her best to warn you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I recently saw Prima Donna in Toronto and was not prepared what a dreadful piece of crap it was</i></p>
<p>Now, be fair. La Cieca did her best to warn you.</p>
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		<title>By: BETSY_ANN_BOBOLINK</title>
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		<dc:creator>BETSY_ANN_BOBOLINK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we&#039;re going to &quot;except,&quot; I&#039;d add LePage to the list not on the list.  On the basis of &lt;i&gt;Damnation&lt;/i&gt;, he&#039;s an excellent director of acrobats, but his opera skills elude me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we&#8217;re going to &#8220;except,&#8221; I&#8217;d add LePage to the list not on the list.  On the basis of <i>Damnation</i>, he&#8217;s an excellent director of acrobats, but his opera skills elude me.</p>
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		<title>By: La Cieca</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Cieca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, on the other hand, let&#039;s look at the directors for the upcoming season: Peter Stein, Willy Decker, Nicholas Hytner, Peter Sellars, Robert Lepage, Bart Sher. That&#039;s a pretty &quot;operatic&quot; group -- obviously, Sher excepted.

La Cieca has a bit of experience with the negative meme thing (i.e., &quot;Renee Fleming wouldn&#039;t give parterre an interview [etc.]&quot;) and, honestly, her experience is that it&#039;s rather tilting with windmills to address this kind of stuff because it&#039;s not based on anything real anyway; it&#039;s just a way of verbalizing some kind of irrational prejudice, the sort of non-thinking that&#039;s never going to respond to logic or proof anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, on the other hand, let&#8217;s look at the directors for the upcoming season: Peter Stein, Willy Decker, Nicholas Hytner, Peter Sellars, Robert Lepage, Bart Sher. That&#8217;s a pretty &#8220;operatic&#8221; group &#8212; obviously, Sher excepted.</p>
<p>La Cieca has a bit of experience with the negative meme thing (i.e., &#8220;Renee Fleming wouldn&#8217;t give parterre an interview [etc.]&#8220;) and, honestly, her experience is that it&#8217;s rather tilting with windmills to address this kind of stuff because it&#8217;s not based on anything real anyway; it&#8217;s just a way of verbalizing some kind of irrational prejudice, the sort of non-thinking that&#8217;s never going to respond to logic or proof anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: kashania</title>
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		<dc:creator>kashania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely. These &quot;notions&quot; or &quot;narratives&quot; can take on lives of their own, like the tedious &quot;Gelb hates opera&quot; notion that is still alive and well in the commentary section of this site. But, however it came to be, that notion is now out there and Gelb had a chance to disspell it. And I don&#039;t think he made much of an attempt to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely. These &#8220;notions&#8221; or &#8220;narratives&#8221; can take on lives of their own, like the tedious &#8220;Gelb hates opera&#8221; notion that is still alive and well in the commentary section of this site. But, however it came to be, that notion is now out there and Gelb had a chance to disspell it. And I don&#8217;t think he made much of an attempt to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: La Cieca</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Cieca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s worth examining where that &quot;notion&quot; or &quot;sugggestion&quot; comes from, which I don&#039;t believe is any statement of Gelb&#039;s. Remember the couple of years when the meme was &quot;Gelb hates opera; he said so often,&quot; until nobody could in fact produce anything like such a quote?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s worth examining where that &#8220;notion&#8221; or &#8220;sugggestion&#8221; comes from, which I don&#8217;t believe is any statement of Gelb&#8217;s. Remember the couple of years when the meme was &#8220;Gelb hates opera; he said so often,&#8221; until nobody could in fact produce anything like such a quote?</p>
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		<title>By: kashania</title>
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		<dc:creator>kashania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gelb didn&#039;t do a very good job of dispelling the notion that he thinks that theatre directors are better than opera directors. And a point I would have like to see him make is that while opera is theatre, it is a different animal to direct. Sometimes, theatre directors (no matter how good) just don&#039;t understand how opera works on stage. I&#039;m all for bringing in variety of directors to the Met but I get very upset at the suggestion that opera directors are somehow inferior to theatre directors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gelb didn&#8217;t do a very good job of dispelling the notion that he thinks that theatre directors are better than opera directors. And a point I would have like to see him make is that while opera is theatre, it is a different animal to direct. Sometimes, theatre directors (no matter how good) just don&#8217;t understand how opera works on stage. I&#8217;m all for bringing in variety of directors to the Met but I get very upset at the suggestion that opera directors are somehow inferior to theatre directors.</p>
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		<title>By: kashania</title>
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		<dc:creator>kashania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and what a brilliant move that was. I recently saw &lt;I&gt;Prima Donna&lt;/i&gt; in Toronto and was not prepared what a dreadful piece of crap it was -- an childish insult to the artform. I could not believe my eyes and ears.

Having to say no to new commissions that did not work out so well is one of the tough decisions a company has to make. I think the even harder part is conveying to the media that you&#039;ve cancelled a new commission. I think the Met did a very good job of making the Wainright cancellation appear to be about the French language and the fact that Wainright didn&#039;t want to wait until 13-14 (or whenever it was) to see the work performed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and what a brilliant move that was. I recently saw <i>Prima Donna</i> in Toronto and was not prepared what a dreadful piece of crap it was &#8212; an childish insult to the artform. I could not believe my eyes and ears.</p>
<p>Having to say no to new commissions that did not work out so well is one of the tough decisions a company has to make. I think the even harder part is conveying to the media that you&#8217;ve cancelled a new commission. I think the Met did a very good job of making the Wainright cancellation appear to be about the French language and the fact that Wainright didn&#8217;t want to wait until 13-14 (or whenever it was) to see the work performed.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/07/01/peters-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-139809</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 17:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>La Cieca; That example you give of a proposed I Lombardi with Pavarotti and its final eventual result touches upon a point faced by  many companies.&#039;When some company  get so besotted /flattered with some artists that then gives  their attention: it is not long before the artist is &#039;in control&#039; wagging the stupid tail of the opera company over the choices of repertiore, to be performed. Richard and Joannie did it in Australia at the Sydney Opera with their infliction of a bel canto plague. Now presently, its &#039;Antics Angie&#039; G.....doing it somewhere else. Let&#039;s start naming and adding  other &#039;tail-waggers club&#039; names!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>La Cieca; That example you give of a proposed I Lombardi with Pavarotti and its final eventual result touches upon a point faced by  many companies.&#8217;When some company  get so besotted /flattered with some artists that then gives  their attention: it is not long before the artist is &#8216;in control&#8217; wagging the stupid tail of the opera company over the choices of repertiore, to be performed. Richard and Joannie did it in Australia at the Sydney Opera with their infliction of a bel canto plague. Now presently, its &#8216;Antics Angie&#8217; G&#8230;..doing it somewhere else. Let&#8217;s start naming and adding  other &#8216;tail-waggers club&#8217; names!</p>
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		<title>By: BETSY_ANN_BOBOLINK</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/07/01/peters-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-139805</link>
		<dc:creator>BETSY_ANN_BOBOLINK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 16:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t seem to me that attitude is what needs changing, but an acknowledgement that there are three different personality types required and the only place you can find those three personalities in one person is a psychiatric ward.  &quot;Thank you, Peter Black.  May I speak to Peter White now, please.  And could you locate Peter Green somewhere.&quot;  

First you have to have an Alpha Male, an entrepreneur, an organizational wizard, very macro-managerial.  Second, you must have a visionary, an idealist, micro-managerial, with a complete grasp of what opera is, must be, can be, and should be.  Third is the artist who stands outside classification but is most involved with communicating emotionally and intellectually with the audience/consumer.  From what I have observed, Gelb is superb as Number One, but a complete failure as Number Two.  Levine was superb as Number Three, but was loathe to involve himself as Number Two.  This fellow Holander is being brought in to fill the Number Two slot but there is a real problem on the horizon.

Number Ones have no respect for what they perceive as the wishy-washy, nit-picky Number Twos they are endemically unable to see that anyone has value except themselves.  Number Threes feel that nobody understands artists and that Number Twos are just in the way; they are endemically incapable of taking authority except within their own (artistic) bailiwick.  The ideal Number Two is a grimy little sweathog who must never, under any circumstances be put on public display.  No Board Member would ever consider giving authority to such a creature.  So I would say that unless some real effort is made on everyone&#039;s part that more than one personality type is needed, we are more than likely going to witness a blood bath of epic proportions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t seem to me that attitude is what needs changing, but an acknowledgement that there are three different personality types required and the only place you can find those three personalities in one person is a psychiatric ward.  &#8220;Thank you, Peter Black.  May I speak to Peter White now, please.  And could you locate Peter Green somewhere.&#8221;  </p>
<p>First you have to have an Alpha Male, an entrepreneur, an organizational wizard, very macro-managerial.  Second, you must have a visionary, an idealist, micro-managerial, with a complete grasp of what opera is, must be, can be, and should be.  Third is the artist who stands outside classification but is most involved with communicating emotionally and intellectually with the audience/consumer.  From what I have observed, Gelb is superb as Number One, but a complete failure as Number Two.  Levine was superb as Number Three, but was loathe to involve himself as Number Two.  This fellow Holander is being brought in to fill the Number Two slot but there is a real problem on the horizon.</p>
<p>Number Ones have no respect for what they perceive as the wishy-washy, nit-picky Number Twos they are endemically unable to see that anyone has value except themselves.  Number Threes feel that nobody understands artists and that Number Twos are just in the way; they are endemically incapable of taking authority except within their own (artistic) bailiwick.  The ideal Number Two is a grimy little sweathog who must never, under any circumstances be put on public display.  No Board Member would ever consider giving authority to such a creature.  So I would say that unless some real effort is made on everyone&#8217;s part that more than one personality type is needed, we are more than likely going to witness a blood bath of epic proportions.</p>
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		<title>By: La Cieca</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/07/01/peters-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-139802</link>
		<dc:creator>La Cieca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 16:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have said &quot;a typical season,&quot; not &quot;every season,&quot; though, to be fair, those lousy Zeffirelli productions showed up in revival practically every year, and I didn&#039;t even address the wild repertoire swings caused by the Pav&#039;s dithering and the Met&#039;s lazy artistic administration (e.g., a revival of &lt;I&gt;Lombardi&lt;/i&gt; for Pavarotti and Mescheriakova that morphed eventually into &lt;I&gt;Vespri&lt;/i&gt; with Casanova and Radvanosky.)

The bigger question is about where the buck stops, and, yes, I think the point of being a general manager is that you can both delegate authority and yet accept final responsibility. That is, to manage without micromanaging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have said &#8220;a typical season,&#8221; not &#8220;every season,&#8221; though, to be fair, those lousy Zeffirelli productions showed up in revival practically every year, and I didn&#8217;t even address the wild repertoire swings caused by the Pav&#8217;s dithering and the Met&#8217;s lazy artistic administration (e.g., a revival of <i>Lombardi</i> for Pavarotti and Mescheriakova that morphed eventually into <i>Vespri</i> with Casanova and Radvanosky.)</p>
<p>The bigger question is about where the buck stops, and, yes, I think the point of being a general manager is that you can both delegate authority and yet accept final responsibility. That is, to manage without micromanaging.</p>
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		<title>By: Arianna a Nasso</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/07/01/peters-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-139801</link>
		<dc:creator>Arianna a Nasso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 16:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>7.3.1  Zeffirelli last minute replacements happened in two of Volpe&#039;s 16 seasons Carmen and Traviata, not &quot;every season&quot; of the 1990s.  Also, I don&#039;t see a significant decrease in the number of Zemsky/Green artists employed; some were good, some were not - same as today.

9.1.1.3  &quot;what management is supposed to be managing so management’s criticism of a production is implicitly self-criticism&quot;

Haven&#039;t we discussed before that management should let directors create work and not be so involved (Joe Volpe) to the extent that it could be responsible for work enough that it would be &quot;self-criticism&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>7.3.1  Zeffirelli last minute replacements happened in two of Volpe&#8217;s 16 seasons Carmen and Traviata, not &#8220;every season&#8221; of the 1990s.  Also, I don&#8217;t see a significant decrease in the number of Zemsky/Green artists employed; some were good, some were not &#8211; same as today.</p>
<p>9.1.1.3  &#8220;what management is supposed to be managing so management’s criticism of a production is implicitly self-criticism&#8221;</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t we discussed before that management should let directors create work and not be so involved (Joe Volpe) to the extent that it could be responsible for work enough that it would be &#8220;self-criticism&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: La Cieca</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/07/01/peters-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-139800</link>
		<dc:creator>La Cieca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 15:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My implication is that it is impossible to drive into a ditch a vehicle that is already in a trench.</description>
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		<title>By: Alto</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/07/01/peters-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-139798</link>
		<dc:creator>Alto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 15:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. I said nothing at all about previous administrations.</description>
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		<title>By: La Cieca</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/07/01/peters-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-139797</link>
		<dc:creator>La Cieca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 15:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The distinction should be drawn between a production currently in process and one that is in the past. Artists are miserable enough when they&#039;re performing in a lousy production without adding to their grief by breaking ranks.

The other point is that in general artists don&#039;t have much direct control over the production or musical direction, whereas those elements are exactly what management is supposed to be managing. So management&#039;s criticism of a production is implicitly self-criticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The distinction should be drawn between a production currently in process and one that is in the past. Artists are miserable enough when they&#8217;re performing in a lousy production without adding to their grief by breaking ranks.</p>
<p>The other point is that in general artists don&#8217;t have much direct control over the production or musical direction, whereas those elements are exactly what management is supposed to be managing. So management&#8217;s criticism of a production is implicitly self-criticism.</p>
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		<title>By: La Cieca</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/07/01/peters-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-139795</link>
		<dc:creator>La Cieca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 15:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, into a ditch, as opposed to the summit of integrity the company enjoyed in the 1990s, when every season was built around a last-minute substitution of recycled Zeffirelli to patch over the latest round of production team buyouts, a dozen Pavarotti cancellations, and the remainder of the artistic administration dictated by Zemsky/Green?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, into a ditch, as opposed to the summit of integrity the company enjoyed in the 1990s, when every season was built around a last-minute substitution of recycled Zeffirelli to patch over the latest round of production team buyouts, a dozen Pavarotti cancellations, and the remainder of the artistic administration dictated by Zemsky/Green?</p>
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		<title>By: ianw2</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/07/01/peters-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-139794</link>
		<dc:creator>ianw2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 15:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Academically, the last time it came up Parterre was fairly evenly split on whether an artist has the right to go public with their negative opinion on a production. Does management have the same right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Academically, the last time it came up Parterre was fairly evenly split on whether an artist has the right to go public with their negative opinion on a production. Does management have the same right?</p>
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		<title>By: La Cieca</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/07/01/peters-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-139792</link>
		<dc:creator>La Cieca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 15:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That depends. If the GM makes himself available for questioning, and the question is asked, then he really has an obligation to answer somehow, even if that answer is &quot;we don&#039;t run our opera company based on reviews.&quot;

There are two schools of thought about defending a production that the GM honestly sees as a failure: he can take the director&#039;s part or he can be silent. (Well, three schools: Volpe used to openly badmouth directors&#039; work in meetings with the Met patrons group; he never took questions from the press.) I can see two reasons for taking the director&#039;s part: a) the altruistic, i.e., he really believes in the director&#039;s work and thinks it was misunderstood or unfairly judged, and b) the practical, i.e., the director has another production or two to go on her current contract, and there is nothing to be gained by turning audiences and critics against the future product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That depends. If the GM makes himself available for questioning, and the question is asked, then he really has an obligation to answer somehow, even if that answer is &#8220;we don&#8217;t run our opera company based on reviews.&#8221;</p>
<p>There are two schools of thought about defending a production that the GM honestly sees as a failure: he can take the director&#8217;s part or he can be silent. (Well, three schools: Volpe used to openly badmouth directors&#8217; work in meetings with the Met patrons group; he never took questions from the press.) I can see two reasons for taking the director&#8217;s part: a) the altruistic, i.e., he really believes in the director&#8217;s work and thinks it was misunderstood or unfairly judged, and b) the practical, i.e., the director has another production or two to go on her current contract, and there is nothing to be gained by turning audiences and critics against the future product.</p>
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		<title>By: Alto</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/07/01/peters-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-139791</link>
		<dc:creator>Alto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 15:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, he&#039;s not &quot;taking the heat.&quot; He is strutting. His grandiosity knows no bounds, and when he has driven the Met into a ditch, he will move on to some other huge paycheck and be as uninterested in opera as he was before he was hired by the Met.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, he&#8217;s not &#8220;taking the heat.&#8221; He is strutting. His grandiosity knows no bounds, and when he has driven the Met into a ditch, he will move on to some other huge paycheck and be as uninterested in opera as he was before he was hired by the Met.</p>
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