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		<title>By: iltenoredigrazia</title>
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		<dc:creator>iltenoredigrazia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 03:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard once a very early recording of Sempre Libera with so many interpolations that it was almost unrecognizable.  I don&#039;t remember the soprano&#039;s name but I was told that Verdi admired her Violetta.   There&#039;s a time and a place for everything and a super high note at the conclusion of the Triumphal March sounds just fine to me.   I can&#039;t imagine Verdi objecting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard once a very early recording of Sempre Libera with so many interpolations that it was almost unrecognizable.  I don&#8217;t remember the soprano&#8217;s name but I was told that Verdi admired her Violetta.   There&#8217;s a time and a place for everything and a super high note at the conclusion of the Triumphal March sounds just fine to me.   I can&#8217;t imagine Verdi objecting.</p>
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		<title>By: wladek</title>
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		<dc:creator>wladek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 02:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may already have this but the high C was sung by Carlo Baucade
for the first time 1853 . He did not sing it at opening but supposedly
give the c a shot in 1853 . I forget
the opera house , but am sure it was not Rome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may already have this but the high C was sung by Carlo Baucade<br />
for the first time 1853 . He did not sing it at opening but supposedly<br />
give the c a shot in 1853 . I forget<br />
the opera house , but am sure it was not Rome.</p>
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		<title>By: La Valkyrietta</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Valkyrietta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 02:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wladek,

Thanks for the recommendation on Shaw. I do own the complete musical criticism of Bernard Shaw. Yes, he is a classic, well worth reading. I also own some Euripides and, of course, all of Proust.

I looked in the index of my Shaw for &#039;Di quella pira&#039;. Let me quote. &quot;In the same way, if you check your excitement at the conclusion of the wedding scene in Il Trovatore to ask what, after all, Di quella pira is, the answer must be that it is only a common bolero tune, just as Stride la vampa is only a common waltz tune. Indeed, if you know these tunes only through the barrel organs, you will need no telling. But in the theatre, if the singers have the requisite power and spirit, one does not ask these questions: the bolero form passes as unnoticed as the saraband form in Handel&#039;s Lascia ch&#039;io pianga, whereas in the more academic form of the aria with caballetto, which Rossini, Bellini, and Donizetti accepted, the form reduces the matter to absurdity. Verdi, stronger and more singly dramatic, broke away from the Rossinian convention; developed the simpler cavatina form with an integral codetta instead of a separated cabaletto; combined it fearlessly with popular dance and ballad forms; and finally produced the once enormously popular, because concise, powerful, and comparatively natural and dramatic type of operatic solo which prevails in Il Trovatore and Un Ballo.&quot;

Shaw continues as always, I agree with you, in a most genial way. I was looking for, though, to more of a performance history on the matter of the high C, something that Porter often did, so that is why I mentioned I wished I had his works with a good index. 

Talking about Il Trovatore and going back to Maria, of whom Shaw reminded me by mentioning in the quoted passage the &quot;requisite power and spirit&quot; of the singers, I have to mention the incredible, absolutely out of this world rendition of Maria outside the prison in the pirated recording at the San Carlo in Naples, I believe circa 1954. Breathtaking is the only word for that performance, and the words of JJ in the above article also come to mind as when he says, &quot;More important that that, I think, was what she did with the voice; how she used the voice as an expressive instrument.&quot; I think Verdi would have been very glad, had he been alive, to have an artist as Maria of such power, spirit and expressiveness to make some of his opera characters come alive on stage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wladek,</p>
<p>Thanks for the recommendation on Shaw. I do own the complete musical criticism of Bernard Shaw. Yes, he is a classic, well worth reading. I also own some Euripides and, of course, all of Proust.</p>
<p>I looked in the index of my Shaw for &#8216;Di quella pira&#8217;. Let me quote. &#8220;In the same way, if you check your excitement at the conclusion of the wedding scene in Il Trovatore to ask what, after all, Di quella pira is, the answer must be that it is only a common bolero tune, just as Stride la vampa is only a common waltz tune. Indeed, if you know these tunes only through the barrel organs, you will need no telling. But in the theatre, if the singers have the requisite power and spirit, one does not ask these questions: the bolero form passes as unnoticed as the saraband form in Handel&#8217;s Lascia ch&#8217;io pianga, whereas in the more academic form of the aria with caballetto, which Rossini, Bellini, and Donizetti accepted, the form reduces the matter to absurdity. Verdi, stronger and more singly dramatic, broke away from the Rossinian convention; developed the simpler cavatina form with an integral codetta instead of a separated cabaletto; combined it fearlessly with popular dance and ballad forms; and finally produced the once enormously popular, because concise, powerful, and comparatively natural and dramatic type of operatic solo which prevails in Il Trovatore and Un Ballo.&#8221;</p>
<p>Shaw continues as always, I agree with you, in a most genial way. I was looking for, though, to more of a performance history on the matter of the high C, something that Porter often did, so that is why I mentioned I wished I had his works with a good index. </p>
<p>Talking about Il Trovatore and going back to Maria, of whom Shaw reminded me by mentioning in the quoted passage the &#8220;requisite power and spirit&#8221; of the singers, I have to mention the incredible, absolutely out of this world rendition of Maria outside the prison in the pirated recording at the San Carlo in Naples, I believe circa 1954. Breathtaking is the only word for that performance, and the words of JJ in the above article also come to mind as when he says, &#8220;More important that that, I think, was what she did with the voice; how she used the voice as an expressive instrument.&#8221; I think Verdi would have been very glad, had he been alive, to have an artist as Maria of such power, spirit and expressiveness to make some of his opera characters come alive on stage.</p>
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		<title>By: La Cieca</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Cieca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 00:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a warning: keep it civil and on-topic or you&#039;ll go on moderation.</description>
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		<title>By: wladek</title>
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		<dc:creator>wladek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dylan- It seems you are able to read -but to comprehend is beyond  your ability- hope your cooking is better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dylan- It seems you are able to read -but to comprehend is beyond  your ability- hope your cooking is better.</p>
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		<title>By: BETSY_ANN_BOBOLINK</title>
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		<dc:creator>BETSY_ANN_BOBOLINK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, dear Dylan!  I&#039;m so flustered.  I&#039;ve always felt that people ought to do things  . . .   together!</description>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wladek:
Get that e flat out of your ass, it is clogging you up.
How the hell do you know how Verdi would have felt?
How many tenors do the B flat at the end of Celeste Aida or sopranos the High C in O Patria Mia piano?
Horrors....What an affront to Verdi!! No PPP??? An E flat at the end of Sempre Libera....Such a travesty. No trills in Coppia Iniqua?? OMG a flute cadenza at the end of the Lucia Mad Scene AAAHHHHH!!!! What an insult to Donizetti. 
Betsy Ann:
I&#039;ll cook you dinner anytime while you swill beer and scratch your balls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wladek:<br />
Get that e flat out of your ass, it is clogging you up.<br />
How the hell do you know how Verdi would have felt?<br />
How many tenors do the B flat at the end of Celeste Aida or sopranos the High C in O Patria Mia piano?<br />
Horrors&#8230;.What an affront to Verdi!! No PPP??? An E flat at the end of Sempre Libera&#8230;.Such a travesty. No trills in Coppia Iniqua?? OMG a flute cadenza at the end of the Lucia Mad Scene AAAHHHHH!!!! What an insult to Donizetti.<br />
Betsy Ann:<br />
I&#8217;ll cook you dinner anytime while you swill beer and scratch your balls.</p>
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		<title>By: wladek</title>
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		<dc:creator>wladek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spelling patrol -it&#039;s one l - I was doing a Callas.</description>
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		<title>By: wladek</title>
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		<dc:creator>wladek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valkyrietta-Since you are into this 
may I suggest the the marvellous
volumes by Bernard Shaw -
Music In London 1890 etc .
He was closer to what went on than Porter - and was quite instrumental
in getting Wagner  into the London world . Heard most of the embalmed singers mentioned writes as only
Shaw can and gives you a good laugh now and then . And you will learn more in one volume of Shaw than in five of Porter, though he is
informative to a degree . Remember Shaw is a genius writing on other like talents-nothing escapes his sharp mind .Give it a
try ........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valkyrietta-Since you are into this<br />
may I suggest the the marvellous<br />
volumes by Bernard Shaw -<br />
Music In London 1890 etc .<br />
He was closer to what went on than Porter &#8211; and was quite instrumental<br />
in getting Wagner  into the London world . Heard most of the embalmed singers mentioned writes as only<br />
Shaw can and gives you a good laugh now and then . And you will learn more in one volume of Shaw than in five of Porter, though he is<br />
informative to a degree . Remember Shaw is a genius writing on other like talents-nothing escapes his sharp mind .Give it a<br />
try &#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: wladek</title>
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		<dc:creator>wladek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and now the balcony ... yawn !!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: rapt</title>
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		<dc:creator>rapt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ones I know of (yes, five) are: A Musical Season (73-74, I think--I don&#039;t have that one), Music of Three Seasons (74-77), Music of Three More Seasons (77-80), and two titled Musical Events (80-83, 83-86).  I wish there were more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ones I know of (yes, five) are: A Musical Season (73-74, I think&#8211;I don&#8217;t have that one), Music of Three Seasons (74-77), Music of Three More Seasons (77-80), and two titled Musical Events (80-83, 83-86).  I wish there were more!</p>
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		<title>By: La Valkyrietta</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Valkyrietta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wladek,

Yes, I use my own judgement and I have expressed it in my posts, but I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m getting too repetitious on the main subject of our interchanges. As to Andrew Porter, I remember all I have read of his has been informative and I have learned many things from him, just as I often learn things at parterre. My judgement will not tell me what is going on in the world of opera, and what went on in the past. For example, I might be curious about a certain performance of Gina Cigna and Porter might just happen to get into it in depth. I always found him instructive, and fun to read. Andrew Porter might have more on the history of that high C at the end of Di Quella Pira that Verdi did not write in the score. If so, I would find that interesting to read. I do like to read about music now and then. Sometimes the reading is tough. Just now I am reading Wagner, and he is a difficult author, not as easy to enjoy reading as his music is to enjoy listening to, but certainly fascinating for those who like his operas. 

Richard,

Thanks for reminding me of those volumes -I believe there are five?- with the criticisms of Andrew Porter in the New Yorker. I remember every week in those years in the past reading his criticisms, but I don&#039;t own the collected volumes you mentioned. I will look for them and get them eventually, the Juilliard book store maybe has them. Even if I probably read most of them long ago, it would be a pleasure to re read them and have them for reference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wladek,</p>
<p>Yes, I use my own judgement and I have expressed it in my posts, but I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;m getting too repetitious on the main subject of our interchanges. As to Andrew Porter, I remember all I have read of his has been informative and I have learned many things from him, just as I often learn things at parterre. My judgement will not tell me what is going on in the world of opera, and what went on in the past. For example, I might be curious about a certain performance of Gina Cigna and Porter might just happen to get into it in depth. I always found him instructive, and fun to read. Andrew Porter might have more on the history of that high C at the end of Di Quella Pira that Verdi did not write in the score. If so, I would find that interesting to read. I do like to read about music now and then. Sometimes the reading is tough. Just now I am reading Wagner, and he is a difficult author, not as easy to enjoy reading as his music is to enjoy listening to, but certainly fascinating for those who like his operas. </p>
<p>Richard,</p>
<p>Thanks for reminding me of those volumes -I believe there are five?- with the criticisms of Andrew Porter in the New Yorker. I remember every week in those years in the past reading his criticisms, but I don&#8217;t own the collected volumes you mentioned. I will look for them and get them eventually, the Juilliard book store maybe has them. Even if I probably read most of them long ago, it would be a pleasure to re read them and have them for reference.</p>
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		<title>By: BETSY_ANN_BOBOLINK</title>
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		<dc:creator>BETSY_ANN_BOBOLINK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooooooo, sounds like someone didn&#039;t drink all her &quot;Love-of-Jesus Juice&quot; this morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooooooo, sounds like someone didn&#8217;t drink all her &#8220;Love-of-Jesus Juice&#8221; this morning.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What people also forget is the published &#039;misprints&#039; in editions of scores that take place when music is put out by the so called respected guardians of music, the publishing houses. Anyone care to remember when the conductor Denis Vaughan poured over the orgibnal scores of say Verdi etc. at Ricordi and found a staggeringly number of flaws,  faults and mistakes comparing the originals and the published editons. It created a fuss. How many faults were actually corrected and then placed into a new editions of certain operas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What people also forget is the published &#8216;misprints&#8217; in editions of scores that take place when music is put out by the so called respected guardians of music, the publishing houses. Anyone care to remember when the conductor Denis Vaughan poured over the orgibnal scores of say Verdi etc. at Ricordi and found a staggeringly number of flaws,  faults and mistakes comparing the originals and the published editons. It created a fuss. How many faults were actually corrected and then placed into a new editions of certain operas?</p>
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		<title>By: Clita del Toro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clita del Toro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wladek,

I love Verdi and Callas, but don&#039;t give hairy rat&#039;s ass about anything you have to say on any topic! 

Are you the vile, &quot;Emily Webster&quot;?</description>
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<p>I love Verdi and Callas, but don&#8217;t give hairy rat&#8217;s ass about anything you have to say on any topic! </p>
<p>Are you the vile, &#8220;Emily Webster&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wladek :In regard to Britten&#039;s Peter Grimes it is easy to see why Britten wanted his own tame vision of it, to stand as the benchmark. Based of Crabbe&#039;s The Borough, Britten eschewed the strong inferences of sexual &#039;goings on&#039; contained in the plot. Britten stands as that British composer full of denials about himself, whilst drawn like a magnet to so many opera plots with &#039;rather hot&#039; sub carrier themes (to the British anyway) if people delve. He was the epitome of the dour stiff upper lip, to a tee. The more a director brings out what Peter Grimes the opera, is really saying, the better..........Britten&#039;s  &#039;grim&#039; music can just play along. I suspect a lot of people sense this re-occuring thread of psychological dishonesty throughout Britten&#039;s works. Never being brave enough to really bite the bullet and come to gripes with the subject matter he used. Bennie&#039;s apparent motto &#039;Never,never say out loud... something&#039;s, a little queer even if it is oblivous&#039;. Once created, an author&#039;s work belongs to the World to be  interpretated.... and sometimes they do not like what other people stumble onto. It is too late to retrieve what they overlooked and did not want &#039;to reveal&#039; about themselves into the bargain. They do not own a &#039;personal profile&#039; copyright on themselves,  though I am sure many creators would like to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wladek :In regard to Britten&#8217;s Peter Grimes it is easy to see why Britten wanted his own tame vision of it, to stand as the benchmark. Based of Crabbe&#8217;s The Borough, Britten eschewed the strong inferences of sexual &#8216;goings on&#8217; contained in the plot. Britten stands as that British composer full of denials about himself, whilst drawn like a magnet to so many opera plots with &#8216;rather hot&#8217; sub carrier themes (to the British anyway) if people delve. He was the epitome of the dour stiff upper lip, to a tee. The more a director brings out what Peter Grimes the opera, is really saying, the better&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.Britten&#8217;s  &#8216;grim&#8217; music can just play along. I suspect a lot of people sense this re-occuring thread of psychological dishonesty throughout Britten&#8217;s works. Never being brave enough to really bite the bullet and come to gripes with the subject matter he used. Bennie&#8217;s apparent motto &#8216;Never,never say out loud&#8230; something&#8217;s, a little queer even if it is oblivous&#8217;. Once created, an author&#8217;s work belongs to the World to be  interpretated&#8230;. and sometimes they do not like what other people stumble onto. It is too late to retrieve what they overlooked and did not want &#8216;to reveal&#8217; about themselves into the bargain. They do not own a &#8216;personal profile&#8217; copyright on themselves,  though I am sure many creators would like to.</p>
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		<title>By: wladek</title>
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		<dc:creator>wladek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 18:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>La Valkyrietta- Why Porter ? can&#039;t you use your own judgement ? I
was making a point about tampering with the score and that one shrieking Eflat can change the composers intentions and  if Verdi wanted an Eflat  he would have written it in,  after all he did
have - 30 --- a big 30 years to reconsider
any changes to the opera-but he
didn&#039;t- he was it seems satisfied
with what he had written .And along comes a celebrated soprano
inserts her note to gain applause
from the donkeys in the house .
And they do applaud -because it is about top notes not operatic theatre that the donkeys

 have come to hear . One sometimes forgets
when writing in , that there
 is here what
I term &quot;The Necropihlia Society&quot;
ever on the watch that a certain soprano- (oh! what the hell- Callas)remains perfectly embalmed
for the ages -they are much like those Boris Karloff movies of old,
the perfect specimen of female
virtue forever sealed in a casket somewhere in cellar- none can touch - worshipped as the
irreplaceable one . But as a lesson to the society Boris does go mad .
They avoid thought at all costs
as they dash off to cemeteries to
dig up other bodies that might or might not have sung a note Verdi wrote, but this is done
only to protect the embalmed one.
The tampering point is avoided as much as possible - &quot;if  verdi only
could have heard it ! I.m sure he wouldn&#039;t have been annoyed  etc. etc . How do I know what he wanted ? Well I do and any self respecting musician does, since
after 30 years time and countless sopranos he did not alter the score or make a notation to
insert notes at singers discretion .
And Toscanini was his watch dog  .
As for figaro - I have worked with many composers and creative artists ,some names you might know and they would have laughed you out the front door with your &quot;purist rant &quot; comments . You know not of what you speak.   C Farrell
it wasn&#039;t about Callas it was about
honouring the creator of a work .
It is Chopin commenting on Liszt
playing his work with added touches -&quot;It was brilliant
but if he can&#039;t play it the I wrote it
then he should leave it alone .&quot;
As for open ears , be sure you are not mistaking open ears for vacum
between them .I don&#039;t give a rats
ass about Callas,but I bow to Verdi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>La Valkyrietta- Why Porter ? can&#8217;t you use your own judgement ? I<br />
was making a point about tampering with the score and that one shrieking Eflat can change the composers intentions and  if Verdi wanted an Eflat  he would have written it in,  after all he did<br />
have &#8211; 30 &#8212; a big 30 years to reconsider<br />
any changes to the opera-but he<br />
didn&#8217;t- he was it seems satisfied<br />
with what he had written .And along comes a celebrated soprano<br />
inserts her note to gain applause<br />
from the donkeys in the house .<br />
And they do applaud -because it is about top notes not operatic theatre that the donkeys</p>
<p> have come to hear . One sometimes forgets<br />
when writing in , that there<br />
 is here what<br />
I term &#8220;The Necropihlia Society&#8221;<br />
ever on the watch that a certain soprano- (oh! what the hell- Callas)remains perfectly embalmed<br />
for the ages -they are much like those Boris Karloff movies of old,<br />
the perfect specimen of female<br />
virtue forever sealed in a casket somewhere in cellar- none can touch &#8211; worshipped as the<br />
irreplaceable one . But as a lesson to the society Boris does go mad .<br />
They avoid thought at all costs<br />
as they dash off to cemeteries to<br />
dig up other bodies that might or might not have sung a note Verdi wrote, but this is done<br />
only to protect the embalmed one.<br />
The tampering point is avoided as much as possible &#8211; &#8220;if  verdi only<br />
could have heard it ! I.m sure he wouldn&#8217;t have been annoyed  etc. etc . How do I know what he wanted ? Well I do and any self respecting musician does, since<br />
after 30 years time and countless sopranos he did not alter the score or make a notation to<br />
insert notes at singers discretion .<br />
And Toscanini was his watch dog  .<br />
As for figaro &#8211; I have worked with many composers and creative artists ,some names you might know and they would have laughed you out the front door with your &#8220;purist rant &#8221; comments . You know not of what you speak.   C Farrell<br />
it wasn&#8217;t about Callas it was about<br />
honouring the creator of a work .<br />
It is Chopin commenting on Liszt<br />
playing his work with added touches -&#8221;It was brilliant<br />
but if he can&#8217;t play it the I wrote it<br />
then he should leave it alone .&#8221;<br />
As for open ears , be sure you are not mistaking open ears for vacum<br />
between them .I don&#8217;t give a rats<br />
ass about Callas,but I bow to Verdi</p>
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		<title>By: richard</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>valkyrietta,

It&#039;s far from everything Porter wrote but his reviews
for the New Yorker magazine (mid 70s-early 80s) were collected and printed in three volumes. Music of Three Seasons, Music of Three More Seasons, etc.

These were probably prime years for Porter&#039;s work . Reading the reviews in sequence he comes off as a bit fussy over some pet peeves such as stage lighting. But he makes many  very striking points in how he feels music should be performed. And he sprinkles in lots of performance and musical history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>valkyrietta,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s far from everything Porter wrote but his reviews<br />
for the New Yorker magazine (mid 70s-early 80s) were collected and printed in three volumes. Music of Three Seasons, Music of Three More Seasons, etc.</p>
<p>These were probably prime years for Porter&#8217;s work . Reading the reviews in sequence he comes off as a bit fussy over some pet peeves such as stage lighting. But he makes many  very striking points in how he feels music should be performed. And he sprinkles in lots of performance and musical history.</p>
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		<title>By: Alto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s about you, not him. And it is absurd -- not to mention insulting to a major figure who deserves our gratitude-- to ask us to tell you about some rise and decline in his powers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s about you, not him. And it is absurd &#8212; not to mention insulting to a major figure who deserves our gratitude&#8211; to ask us to tell you about some rise and decline in his powers.</p>
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		<title>By: MontyNostry</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/02/15/talking-head-3/comment-page-3/#comment-119877</link>
		<dc:creator>MontyNostry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Omitted an &#039;o&#039; there: &quot;too self consciously ... &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Omitted an &#8216;o&#8217; there: &#8220;too self consciously &#8230; &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: MontyNostry</title>
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		<dc:creator>MontyNostry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When was Porter&#039;s peak period as a critic? Whenever I&#039;ve read his more recent work I&#039;ve found it verbose and a bit on the pompous side -- to self-consciously the Grand Old Man of Opera Criticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When was Porter&#8217;s peak period as a critic? Whenever I&#8217;ve read his more recent work I&#8217;ve found it verbose and a bit on the pompous side &#8212; to self-consciously the Grand Old Man of Opera Criticism.</p>
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		<title>By: figaroindy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But of course, conductors NEVER tamper.....YEAH WHATEVER!  Still not buying this &quot;purist rant.&quot;  You keep saying that people wouldn&#039;t want their work changed - but you don&#039;t know that to be true - people may have other feelings than YOU have.  If I were a composer, I might be perfectly happy to have my music heard, even if it is slightly changed.  We all don&#039;t think like you.....you cite one comment of Rossini&#039;s to a singer, but nothing of Verdi&#039;s himself.  Maybe it bothered Rossini, but not Verdi.  I think it may be time to quit presuming you feel what Verdi must have felt.  You&#039;re not a reincarnation, you know...Since he&#039;s not here to tell us (and you haven&#039;t yet given me a quote from him saying he didn&#039;t like people to change his work), I&#039;ll refrain from presuming....presuming your way isn&#039;t any more accurate than presuming otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But of course, conductors NEVER tamper&#8230;..YEAH WHATEVER!  Still not buying this &#8220;purist rant.&#8221;  You keep saying that people wouldn&#8217;t want their work changed &#8211; but you don&#8217;t know that to be true &#8211; people may have other feelings than YOU have.  If I were a composer, I might be perfectly happy to have my music heard, even if it is slightly changed.  We all don&#8217;t think like you&#8230;..you cite one comment of Rossini&#8217;s to a singer, but nothing of Verdi&#8217;s himself.  Maybe it bothered Rossini, but not Verdi.  I think it may be time to quit presuming you feel what Verdi must have felt.  You&#8217;re not a reincarnation, you know&#8230;Since he&#8217;s not here to tell us (and you haven&#8217;t yet given me a quote from him saying he didn&#8217;t like people to change his work), I&#8217;ll refrain from presuming&#8230;.presuming your way isn&#8217;t any more accurate than presuming otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Alto</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I wish there was such a thing as the complete works of Andrew Porter in print.&quot;

That would surely take up a few shelves. Lovely thought, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I wish there was such a thing as the complete works of Andrew Porter in print.&#8221;</p>
<p>That would surely take up a few shelves. Lovely thought, though.</p>
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		<title>By: La Valkyrietta</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Valkyrietta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish there was such a thing as the complete works of Andrew Porter in print. He was so knowledgeable and informed opera critic. I am sure he has written somewhere to exhaustion about the high C at the end of the Di Quella Pira in Il Trovatore. Here and there I have been able to maybe ascertain that it was the first Manrico, Carlo Baucardé, who sang that note not in the score. Then it seems later Verdi refused to give him the tenor role in Aroldo commenting this tenor was crazy. Then, it seems, some fifteen years later the first Alvaro in Forza, the same tenor that sang at the opening of Teatro Colón in Buenos Aires, Enrico Tamberlick, obtained from Verdi the sanction to do the high C at the end of Di Quella Pira. Today, anyone that dares not do it in performance is booed, unless, perhaps, Muti is conducting. Of course, this will not make next Tuesday less exciting at the Met.

All the preceding paragraph is just to justify myself that I&#039;m not a lunatic thinking Verdi might have liked the note in the triumphant scene. Had he been alive and in Bellas Artes, one can fancy, he would later in the night tell La Strepponi, &quot;Cara, at one time I would have written that for you and you would have out-Abigaile the Babylonian princess&quot;. We will never know. Angela Peralta did sing La sonnambula for the king Vittorio Emanuele in Turin and got 32 curtain calls; she also sang Lucia at La Scala. Not every soprano can sing Aida and also bel canto roles, but many in the nineteen century did. I look at the E flat in Aida as a remnant of bel canto. I guess sopranos should be glad and thankful to Verdi that he did not write it into the score. Today we have the opposite problem, we have E flats written in scores that are not sung. Now, that is a real reason to gripe about a soprano. I&#039;m not mentioning names, but we all know who they are :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish there was such a thing as the complete works of Andrew Porter in print. He was so knowledgeable and informed opera critic. I am sure he has written somewhere to exhaustion about the high C at the end of the Di Quella Pira in Il Trovatore. Here and there I have been able to maybe ascertain that it was the first Manrico, Carlo Baucardé, who sang that note not in the score. Then it seems later Verdi refused to give him the tenor role in Aroldo commenting this tenor was crazy. Then, it seems, some fifteen years later the first Alvaro in Forza, the same tenor that sang at the opening of Teatro Colón in Buenos Aires, Enrico Tamberlick, obtained from Verdi the sanction to do the high C at the end of Di Quella Pira. Today, anyone that dares not do it in performance is booed, unless, perhaps, Muti is conducting. Of course, this will not make next Tuesday less exciting at the Met.</p>
<p>All the preceding paragraph is just to justify myself that I&#8217;m not a lunatic thinking Verdi might have liked the note in the triumphant scene. Had he been alive and in Bellas Artes, one can fancy, he would later in the night tell La Strepponi, &#8220;Cara, at one time I would have written that for you and you would have out-Abigaile the Babylonian princess&#8221;. We will never know. Angela Peralta did sing La sonnambula for the king Vittorio Emanuele in Turin and got 32 curtain calls; she also sang Lucia at La Scala. Not every soprano can sing Aida and also bel canto roles, but many in the nineteen century did. I look at the E flat in Aida as a remnant of bel canto. I guess sopranos should be glad and thankful to Verdi that he did not write it into the score. Today we have the opposite problem, we have E flats written in scores that are not sung. Now, that is a real reason to gripe about a soprano. I&#8217;m not mentioning names, but we all know who they are <img src='http://parterre.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: CruzSF</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Control, too, yes. Amazing control. Harnessed power. It&#039;ll be interesting (if a little sad) to compare Callas&#039;s voice in 1955 to that of the 1959 recording.

People have mentioned here that her rapid weight loss probably played a role in the vocal changes/decline, but I don&#039;t know how that would affect it. Is it the weight loss, or the speed of the weight loss, that affects a voice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Control, too, yes. Amazing control. Harnessed power. It&#8217;ll be interesting (if a little sad) to compare Callas&#8217;s voice in 1955 to that of the 1959 recording.</p>
<p>People have mentioned here that her rapid weight loss probably played a role in the vocal changes/decline, but I don&#8217;t know how that would affect it. Is it the weight loss, or the speed of the weight loss, that affects a voice?</p>
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		<title>By: CerquettiFarrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>CerquettiFarrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, lots of energy, but immense control too. This is High Art with a capital A.</description>
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		<title>By: CerquettiFarrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>CerquettiFarrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah you know what? The open ears question is so beside the point. Despite all the credentials, it seems to me to be a question of fact-waving. Always slightly boring to my mind. By all means, if a person is a trained musician, he will be able to analyse a performance relying on the score. By all means, let him take, for example, some recorded EVIDENCE of Callas&#039; work, the 1955 studio Ritorna vincitor for example, or even the 1955 live Addio nel passato, and make particular points as to where Callas deviates from the composer&#039;s instructions. Otherwise waving one miserable note is not IRRELEVANT, repetitive and not really interesting or meriting any attention of a serious kind. I have yet to see here serious, informed (beyond mere facts which he could have read anyhwere) musical analysis from this person. 

On the contrary, it seems to me that most other Verdi singers (not even worth being called &quot;interpreters&quot;) just do what they can with the notes, most of them lacking the ability to pay close attention to the composer&#039;s markings, because they are lazy / caught in the thrill of the &quot;drama&quot; / or simply unable technically to cope (by this I don&#039;t necessarily mean vocal range or dexterity, but so many other things, for example the ability to colour the sound, so very important in Verdi, cf &quot;Con una voce lontana&quot; in Otello).

No, most singers will get away with &quot;a beautiful sound&quot; or some bag of tricks (cf Caballe&#039;s pianissimi), alongwith a generalized sense of drama. So few of them take the trouble to provide us with an acute musical interpretation. Singers are, alas, supposed to be musicians too, and if somebody like Hilary Hahn would have walked on the concert platform and played Sibelius&#039; voilin concerto the way Caballe, or Sutherland, or L Price for example have approached and performed an opera, well such a violinist would have been booed off the stage in 5 minutes for odious and ludicrous, vulgar tampering with the music. No matter how sweet their sound and how dazzling their technique. So few singers, like Callas or Scotto or Seefried or Varnay or Farrell, are actually musicians and have respect for slurs, note values, dynamic markings and all the rest of the craft of music making. 
But, again, basing a whole critique upon a single, maybe unsanctioned high note is ridiculously easy, irrelevant and speaks of a very dull mind indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah you know what? The open ears question is so beside the point. Despite all the credentials, it seems to me to be a question of fact-waving. Always slightly boring to my mind. By all means, if a person is a trained musician, he will be able to analyse a performance relying on the score. By all means, let him take, for example, some recorded EVIDENCE of Callas&#8217; work, the 1955 studio Ritorna vincitor for example, or even the 1955 live Addio nel passato, and make particular points as to where Callas deviates from the composer&#8217;s instructions. Otherwise waving one miserable note is not IRRELEVANT, repetitive and not really interesting or meriting any attention of a serious kind. I have yet to see here serious, informed (beyond mere facts which he could have read anyhwere) musical analysis from this person. </p>
<p>On the contrary, it seems to me that most other Verdi singers (not even worth being called &#8220;interpreters&#8221;) just do what they can with the notes, most of them lacking the ability to pay close attention to the composer&#8217;s markings, because they are lazy / caught in the thrill of the &#8220;drama&#8221; / or simply unable technically to cope (by this I don&#8217;t necessarily mean vocal range or dexterity, but so many other things, for example the ability to colour the sound, so very important in Verdi, cf &#8220;Con una voce lontana&#8221; in Otello).</p>
<p>No, most singers will get away with &#8220;a beautiful sound&#8221; or some bag of tricks (cf Caballe&#8217;s pianissimi), alongwith a generalized sense of drama. So few of them take the trouble to provide us with an acute musical interpretation. Singers are, alas, supposed to be musicians too, and if somebody like Hilary Hahn would have walked on the concert platform and played Sibelius&#8217; voilin concerto the way Caballe, or Sutherland, or L Price for example have approached and performed an opera, well such a violinist would have been booed off the stage in 5 minutes for odious and ludicrous, vulgar tampering with the music. No matter how sweet their sound and how dazzling their technique. So few singers, like Callas or Scotto or Seefried or Varnay or Farrell, are actually musicians and have respect for slurs, note values, dynamic markings and all the rest of the craft of music making.<br />
But, again, basing a whole critique upon a single, maybe unsanctioned high note is ridiculously easy, irrelevant and speaks of a very dull mind indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: CruzSF</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, CF. It&#039;s now on its way to me (I opted for the CD version, not the MP3 version.) I was sorry to learn about the cuts in the score for this recording, but from what I&#039;ve heard so far, I think this time it&#039;ll be worth it (to me) just to have that energy everyone seems to bring during the live performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, CF. It&#8217;s now on its way to me (I opted for the CD version, not the MP3 version.) I was sorry to learn about the cuts in the score for this recording, but from what I&#8217;ve heard so far, I think this time it&#8217;ll be worth it (to me) just to have that energy everyone seems to bring during the live performance.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh wow!  &quot;Men will be men.&quot;  Oh wow!  Oh wow!  If I&#039;m not careful I may tear off this fragile mask and reveal my true gender.  &quot;Men will be men,&quot; huh?  Well, pardon me while I grunt, scratch my nuts, and swill my beer.  I&#039;ll just let you little ladies sit in the kitchen and chat in your carefree estrogen-laden tones about what a hassle menopause can be.  Meanwhile, of course, you can be cooking my meal and putting frilly doilies under all the champagne flutes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh wow!  &#8220;Men will be men.&#8221;  Oh wow!  Oh wow!  If I&#8217;m not careful I may tear off this fragile mask and reveal my true gender.  &#8220;Men will be men,&#8221; huh?  Well, pardon me while I grunt, scratch my nuts, and swill my beer.  I&#8217;ll just let you little ladies sit in the kitchen and chat in your carefree estrogen-laden tones about what a hassle menopause can be.  Meanwhile, of course, you can be cooking my meal and putting frilly doilies under all the champagne flutes.</p>
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		<title>By: CerquettiFarrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>CerquettiFarrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walkyretta dear, spare your efforts. A pair of open ears is apparently very hard to acquire, once the older one is set in one direction. You cannot convince the converted. A very useful maxim. He will keep sticking to that poor E flat and regard all the magnificent Callas work done after 1952. Oh well, men will be men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walkyretta dear, spare your efforts. A pair of open ears is apparently very hard to acquire, once the older one is set in one direction. You cannot convince the converted. A very useful maxim. He will keep sticking to that poor E flat and regard all the magnificent Callas work done after 1952. Oh well, men will be men.</p>
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