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Chat: Salome

salome-matineeWelcome to La Casa della Cieca for the matinee of Salome starting at the Met at 1:00 pm on Saturday, cher public. Please be sure to read the notice after the jump. 

After much pondering and discussion with a number of parterre associates, La Cieca has come to the conclusion that the “Rumbletalk” chat format must be discontinued as an official feature of the site. I believe that the non-archived and unmoderated nature of this chat encouraged occasional off-topic and abusive conversation that simply does not belong on parterre.com.

La Cieca encourages regular participants in the chat to participate (in a civil manner, of course) in a conversation in the Disqus comments section of this post, and I will continue to publish posts for each scheduled broadcast on the chat schedule.

I ask you to please try discussing this afternoon’s performance via Disqus. If you set the comments on “Sort by Oldest” the threads will display in chronological order.

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Photo by Ken Howard/Metropolitan Opera.

  • Varkova

    The old Rumbletalk was more dynamic and interesting. What do you think? It’s lonely in here at the moment.

    • Brackweaver

      Yes. Very quiet.

  • grimoaldo2

    Very sorry the live chatroom is gone, though I understand the reason for it. It is really a shame for trolls to spoil our fun.
    I was just going to pop in and ask if Racette is singing today or is it the substitute?

    • Brackweaver

      Racette

    • Ken

      Racette

    • Varkova

      I don’t remember the old chats ever getting wild or out of hand, do you?

      • Batty Masetto

        There was some very ugly slagging going on last time I tuned in

        • Varkova

          I must have missed that

          • Batty Masetto

            Consider yourself lucky. I tuned out for a good while

            • Brackweaver

              It was weird-name calling that simply wouldn’t stop.

            • Nell TuoCuor

              That nonsense last week was certainly unfortunate, would have been preferable to have someone available to moderate. Not crazy about this solution, but we can deal with it.

            • Bluecabochon

              Yes, that was shocking last week. Glad that there was some kind of reaction to it.

        • Liz.S

          The row was very uncomfortable but the disturbance happened during the intermission (no interruption during the perf.) It could be because of the decency on their side or they just responded to our requests to quit it.

          I like the idea of having a moderator. I’m feeling like we are the ones getting disciplined. I want my fave toy back! :)

    • Liz.S

      Yeah the “live chat” atmosphere is lost with this tool. I know we had occasional trolls but I really miss that sense of mostly peaceful community sharing the experience of enjoying the live perfs alla casa della C…

      • Batty Masetto

        For all the misbehavior -- and it was certainly egregious last time -- I strongly prefer the live chat format too

        • Ken

          Unfortunately the person who started the row by posting gossip, as she frequently does, is a contributing member of the site, Presumably that’s why instead of simply banning her, La Cieca switched forums.

          • ER

            Well, why not ban her temporarily rather than dismantle the whole site?

  • Batty Masetto

    Just tuned in -- she doesn’t sound as bad as I’d expected…

  • Peter

    She’s in better voice than on opening night.

    • Liz.S

      She must have had a good rest :)

    • Varkova

      This far everyone sounds better than on opening. Even the conducting. Can it be different microphone placement?

      • Liz.S

        Right? Or is this the difference of mixing technician’s skills at the radio station?

        • Varkova

          ???

  • Batty Masetto

    Lucic as dull as ever

    • Liz.S

      I really don’t understand why he’s the go to bariton tbh

      • Varkova

        Bc he is handsome?

        • He is? I thought it was because he rarely if ever cancels.

  • Pete

    When does vibrato or modulation become wobble?

    “Wobble -- wavering or irregular variation in sound amplitude and/or frequency modulations in the 1-3 Hz range.”

    “Modulation -- systematic change of a cyclic parameter, such as amplitude or frequency.”

    ” ‘The wobble is often quite accepted in more dramatic German Opera’ says one authority.”.

    (from http://www.voiceteacher.com/wobble.html and http://www.ncvs.org/ncvs/tutorials/voiceprod/tutorial/quality.html)

    • Ken

      Very interesting. Thank you.

    • ducadiposa

      Not saying some passages in her performance today didn’t verge on ‘wobble’ I guess, but overall I’m not bothered by it. Especially as you cite, in this repertoire -- so dramatic and unhinged. Maybe I wouldn’t necessarily want to hear her in current vocal state as they say, in say, Butterfly anymore. But if she can manage it, maybe this is the direction she should go. What other roles might one suggest for her in the Salome vein?

      • Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk? I know she’s already sung it though.

        • ducadiposa

          Yeah, that’s a good one! Maybe they’ll revive the great Met production with her? We had a fabulous production of that opera by Paul Curran about 8 seasons or so ago in Toronto. I love that opera -- it’s real music drama.

          • Or Marie in Wozzeck?

            • ducadiposa

              Another good suggestion!

        • PCally

          Saw her sing it at the eno and honestly I wasn’t very impressed, though many were. Westbroek has her issues but she’s an actual spinto. Racette is a lyric beefing up her voice to be able to encompass heavier roles. When I saw her she basically bleated her way through the role and she played it like a whiny victim.

  • ines

    I like Racette’s fearless approach to the part, even if there were a couple of moments the Eva Marton-sound crept in… better than Denoke anyhow

  • Batty Masetto

    There was some talk about Siegel sounding like Stolze. There’s certainly the parlando noises, but I saw Stolze do the role a number of times and he was always more musical than this

  • gromek

    Orchestra is sounding great, huge improvement from opening night

    • Liz.S

      Agreed

    • Varkova

      Agree. Is the microphone placement different for the non-Met-streaming radio broadcasts?

      • Brackweaver

        That’s what I think.

      • Batty Masetto

        I find that a little hard to believe, though of course it might be so. So often the placement of everything onstage – which would include the mikes – is set in stone by the time of the opening

        • Varkova

          Then it has to be that the transmission frequencies are different

        • Liz.S

          I responded to other one but if there’s any technical aspect, I think it’s the better mixing skills at the radio station, rather than the mic placement.
          I think they are really singing & playing differently too, though

  • Paul Padillo

    Everything about this is better than the prima. Young Maestro Debus is getting his best from this great band!

    • gromek

      Yes, my respect for him has gone up with this….how is his Wagner?

      • Paul Padillo

        I have limited exposure to him, but if reviews are to believe, he is a star-in-the-making. They apparently love him in Frankfurt, and his efforts in Canada seem to bear that out as well.

        • ER

          He was good but I found him excessively loud at times. Plus no consideration for the singers.

      • ducadiposa

        Pretty great -- he’s received fab reviews for all Wagner conducted in Toronto thus far (Dutchman, Tristan, Walkure, Siegfried…and upcoming in January, Gotterdammerung

  • Bob

    Are Met tickets still sold in front of the Met before shows?

  • ines

    A petulant salome-- don’t like the little giigles….

    • She is supposed to be very young …

      • ines

        But she has a head cut in front of her…

        • ines

          mattila had that disturbed quality

          • PCally

            She most certainly did and she didn’t have to giggle in order to act like a convincing teenager.

        • Pirelli

          Actually, she doesn’t (unless there’s something in the staging I’m not aware of). She has a cut head in front of her, after the fact -- but she doesn’t SEE the head get cut. There is a difference, even if the result is still horrid. But then again, she asked for it…;-)

  • Bob

    About 20 years ago, I was usually able to get a ticket right before the show from someone selling, but I have not been to the Met in a long time. I was thinking of going to see this

    • Bill

      Bob -- sometimes there are people selling tickets outside
      the Met prior to a performance. Sometimes there are also
      people seeking a ticket (even though many are still available
      at the box office and I rather assume they are seeking a free ticket. Not much at the Met these days is completely sold out
      even for popular operas or when big stars sing -- and standing room is practically never sold out any more though
      at $ 27 downstairs for standing it is to my mind way overpriced.

      • Not altogether OT, the Paris Opera is currently selling off its Cavalleria R/Sancta Susanna double bill at 50 euros for the top seats.

        • southerndoc1

          Just more evidence that Peter Gelb hates opera.

          • PCally

            In what way?

  • Bob

    Is it OK to ask this or must I stick to the comments about this performance only? …..I don’t want to be kicked off the chat..

  • Varkova

    I feel that the star of today’s show is the orchestra, shining bright. Racette’s voice I just find grating and uninteresting.

    • Batty Masetto

      I wasn’t too bothered earlier but this is harder going

  • Bob

    Really like this….unlike last week’s opera that I just could not get into

  • Batty Masetto

    Well, that’s that chore over. :-(

    • ducadiposa

      To each his own, but didn’t find this a chore today at all. Really enjoyed it. This score is beyond amazing…

      • Batty Masetto

        Yes, an amazing score, and well conducted. I’m just not one of those who thinks a big wobble is “acceptable” in German opera

        • pollione

          I like Racette generally and I’m no expert by any means, but that the wobble sure sounded wide to me and I thought it was distracting and made the pitch sound approximated a lot of the time.

        • Bill

          Batty Masetto -- Racette, particularly in the higher notes in the final scene, sounded (on the radio) to be at the end of her vocal tether -- when she sang softly the wretched wobble was less obvious -- I cannot think that she sounded better than Kirsten Jenkins on Tuesday -- Her diction was a bit more precise than that of Jenkins -- But Jenkins had better top notes. There was little pleasure in listening to Racette in this broadcast of which I only heard the second half.

          • Paul Padillo

            And yet some (even with a bit of experience) differ. I thoroughly enjoyed today’s Salome and found Racette, flaws and all, to be (even just over WQXR) to be a solid, fascinating Salome. Guess, I’m just lucky.

        • Pirelli

          when *would* it be acceptable, lol? I don’t think it has anything to do with the nation of origin.

          • Batty Masetto

            Well, there was a link somewhere earlier in the discussion (http://www.voiceteacher.com/wobble.html) where the writer on that site says “I have personally observed that the ‘wobble’ is often quite accepted in more dramatic German Opera.” I suppose that may be true for some but it ain’t so for me…

  • Varkova

    Goodbye

  • PCally

    I have to say I don’t understand people praising racette. I was in the audience and just because she wasn’t the disaster some people (including me) thought she would be doesn’t mean she’s a good Salome. It’s a lyric voice that sounds imo quavery and hollow at every dynamic and straight up wobbly at top volume. And dramatically she’s a hard working professional and that’s it. There was no particular interpreter insights of note and she didn’t even begin to approach demented in the final scene.

    • Pirelli

      Does Salome really have to “act” demented, lol? I think the fact that she’s holding a severed head on a silver platter, kissing it and singing to it -- along with some very descriptive/dramatic/eerie music -- that’s demented already, lol. In fact, I think the more “normal” a Salome may appear in this scene, the more demented we may see her. ;-)