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Seligsten Paar

Maestro Christian Thielemann has made his choice for Lohengrin casting in Dresden and, later, Bayreuth: “Anna Netrebko als Elsa und Piotr Beczala in der Titelpartie.” [Kurier]

  • operaassport

    Can’t wait for Anna but I’m unsure of Beczala as Lohengrin. We’ll see.

    • bassoprofundo

      Lohengrin is one of the lightest roles Wagner wrote for tenor. A lot of lyric tenors have sung it in the past, Gedda himself did it a few times. Probably the most prolific Lohengrin around today, Klaus Florian Voigt, sounds like a 10 year old girl, and yet he manages it fine.

      I doubt Beczala will have a huge problem with it. I think his Riccardo and the Prince in Rusalka are much heavier and more problematic for his voice than Lohengrin is.

      • operaassport

        I don’t know how many 10 year old girls you know, but KFV doesn’t sound remotely like one and his voice is nothing like Beczala’s but it should be interesting.

        • bassoprofundo

          • Cicciabella

            This is a day-time TV performance in jeans, with piano accompaniment only. Vogt is right not to terrify the audience with rafter-splitting Wagnerian singing. By the way, this proves that Winterstürme would work very well as a rock ballad.

      • manou

        https://twitter.com/roberto_alagna/status/521604169690800128

        Unfortunately “Cohen grin” is misspelt.

  • antikitschychick

    Will the Cohen grin take place next year or later on? Also, I so wish he would have said who the cast members will be for the Cavalleria!! If it’s the same cast that will appear in next year’s Easter festival we’re in for a treat, especially since there are usually live streams for the major Salzburg performances :-). Eeeeeeeeeeep I’m excited!

    • antikitschychick

      Ugh my phone’s spell check is so annoying!! Should say *Lohengrin*.

      • antikitschychick

        Oh wait the Cavalleria he mentions in the article is the same one I’m thinking of lol :-P…what I mean is, I hope it gets performed during the summer festival as well since those usually feature live streams and get released on DVD…although anything with Jonas in it usually involves a live stream and/or DVD release which makes me happy :-D.

        Anna as Elsa and Piotr as Lohengrin sounds like a good pairing so I look forward to that as well :-)

        • Lohengrin

          Cavalleria will NOT be an Summer Festival; Jonas will do there Fidelio/(Welser-Möst and Guth; do not know the other singers).
          Cavalleria with Jonas and EG in June 2015 alla Scala di Milano!

          • Feldmarschallin

            Pieczonka will sing Leonore.

            • antikitschychick

              Feld, sorry, which Leonore are you referring to?

            • Lohengrin

              Salzburg Summer 2015

            • antikitschychick

              Oh the Fidelio Leonore! DUH! Lol.

          • antikitschychick

            Yeah I realized right after I submitted my comment I had gotten myself confused lol but thanks for the clarification Lohengrin :-). I assume EG is Elina Garanca?

            • Lohengrin

              EG is Elina Garanca!

    • manou

      “Cohen grin” deserves a Mot Du Jour.

      So much better than Slow and Grim.

    • damekenneth

      Was that the Andy Cohen grin, with adorably crossed eyes?

      • schweigundtanze

        There is no part of Andy Cohen that isn’t fucking repulsive.

    • Jungfer Marianne Leitmetzerin

      Osterfestspiele Salzburg (the Salzburg Easter Festival) has nothing to do with the main summer Salzbuger Festspiele and the Salzburger Pfingsten Festspiele and is run by a totally different group (it was started by von Karajan in 1967 to use the Berliner Philharmomiker as a pit band for opera; it started with the legendary Karajan “Ring” which was eventually sold to the Met). The Philharmoniker quit the festival in 2012 (and moved to Baden Baden) and it was quickly transferred to Thielemann/Dresden, and opened with a dreadful “Parsifal” which I believe is on DVD. So, maybe the “Cav”/!Pag” will make it to either broadcast or DVD, considering the cast…

      • Lohengrin

        2012 the took Carmen from Easter to Summer.

        • Lohengrin

          they

          • Jungfer Marianne Leitmetzerin

            I saw “Carmen” at Easter in 2012 so it was sort of off my radar for the summer Festspiele. But it was a one time only deal, to appease Salzburg for dumping them for Baden Baden.

            Sicne Bartoli took over the Pfingstenfestspiele from Muti, her main opera production has been repeated in the summer, but I am rather sure this will not be the case with the new Thielemann/Dresden arrangement: his Salzburg Easter productions will go to Dresden, not to the summer Festspiele.

      • antikitschychick

        Thanks for the brief background info on the Salzburg Festival Marianne. I really hope you’re right about the “Cav/Pag” making it to a broadcast or DVD!

  • Buster

    Does this mean Alagna will not sing Lohengrin in Bayreuth? Or only after Beczala?

  • Becza?a may have the widest gap between how he sounds on a recording vs how he sounds in the house of anyone I have ever heard. I think he’s OK on a recording but sounds wonderful in the house (in my limited experience, at least).

    I am on my third, or maybe fourth year of sending away for tickets to Bayreuth, so maybe there’s a chance I draw one of these? Hope springs eternal!

    • Couldn’t agree more. I haven’t heard all that many recordings but I remember them as unremarkable, whereas he really kills it in-house. Voigt in the late 90s/early aughts would have been my previous “most different between house and studio,” I think. The only recording I remember feeling caught the luxury of the voice was the Wagner thing with Domingo.

  • Quanto Painy Fakor

    I hope Netrebko does not waste her time on the Dreary Widow.

  • Constantine A. Papas

    Beczala will be much better than Hoffmann, who ended up in Germany, singing Weber’s Phantom for years. Was Marton his Elsa on the Met tour in late 70s, early 80s?

    • Lohengrin

      Cheryl Studer.

    • steveac10

      Hoffman only sang it in the house, but it was with Marton the second time he did it at the Met. Touring casts in the 70’s and 80’s were headlined by Alexander/Lorengar and Sooter/Kubiak.I saw both. Alexander was his usual gorgeously sung but dramatically static self (truly the Lucine Amara of tenors, he could sing just about anything really well but he rarely made you go wow!). Sooter bordered on filth.

      • DeepSouthSenior

        There’s a video of Lohengrin from January 1986 with Marton, Rysanek, and Hoffmann on Met Opera on Demand. I watched it earlier this year. Based on the description at the Met website, I was prepared for one of the greatest experiences of my life:

        “Wagner’s Romantic opera demands singing actors who can truly inhabit their parts, and that’s just what we have here. Is it possible for a Knight of the Holy Grail to look more enticing than Peter Hofmann? No wonder Elsa (Eva Marton) falls in love at first sight. Marton’s heroine is innocent, but she is also a passionate, real-life young woman—which is good, because Leonie Rysanek is positively demented as Ortrud, the sorceress who accuses Elsa and Lohengrin of using magic. With James Levine’s superb conducting, the orchestra and chorus are similarly magical.”

        I did enjoy the performance but was hardly overwhelmed. Somehow I escaped the “magical” part. Maybe Hofmann’s hair had something to do with it (please, oh please, I hope it was a wig).

        • steveac10

          “Maybe Hofmann’s hair had something to do with it (please, oh please, I hope it was a wig).”

          It likely was his own hair. He was renowned for his shining blond euro-mullet and his repertoire (Lohengrin, Siegmund and Parsifal) was well suited to his coiffure -- even if he should have stuck to Tamino.

      • Operngasse

        “the Lucine Amara of tenors”: LOL. She appeared, competantly sang the role, but did not provide anything of depth.

        A fast search in the Met’s archives using Amara as the search term gives 748 sung performances. I believe at one time she held the record for most number of appearances in a leading role. Most amazing is that she sang a number of performances after 1980, when she sued the Met, and both James Levine and John Ingpen individually for age discrimination.

        • peter

          I heard Amara sing Leonora in Forza at the Met in the early 80’s. She was replacing Bumbry and the audience groaned when it was announced. It wasn’t an attractive sound (very nasal) when she started singing but she gradually warmed up and it became a rounder warmer sound. She was pretty stiff on stage but I will never forget the absolutely gorgeous Pace pace.

  • Rowna

    This was good news for a Sunday. In some other posts there is mention of Cav/Pag -- one of my fav opera duos. I will prob wind up going to the HD but I find it painful to listen to Ms Westbroek and have no idea how her career got so far along.

    • Lohengrin

      ROH: Andrea Chernier with Jonas and Ms. Westbroek !!!!!!!!!!!!! sorry !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      She is in the same Management………

  • Quanto Painy Fakor

    She’s working on her German!

    Such a silly staging. Makes me hungry for ribbon candy

  • pasavant

    In what year will Netrebko be singing Lohengrin at Bayreuth?

  • rofrano

    I hate to be this way, but in the nominative case, they would be called “Seligste Paar”.

    Seligsten is only if they are the object of the phrase.

    • Lohenfal

      If we’re going to be particular about German grammar, the correct title for this thread would be “seligstes Paar” or “das seligste Paar.” Assumedly, La C. wanted to quote the Lohengrin Brautchor directly, thus the dative case.

  • guy pacifica

    Or as my date once called it, “Low and grin and bear it.”

    • guy pacifica

      Sigh. That was meant to respond to Manou, much higher up.

      • manou

        Thank you -- that was very funny too.

        (And I love Lohengrin)

  • Feldmarschallin

    http://kurier.at/kultur/buehne/roberto-alagna-gibt-2018-in-bayreuth-den-lohengrin/90.943.760

    It is Alagna not Beczala who will sing Lohengrin in Bayreuth in 2018.

  • Orion

    The Kurier made a mistake in its first paper, confusing Lohengrin which will be sung by Piotr Beczala and Anna Netrebko in DRESDEN in 2016 with the later Lohengrin in BAYREUTH in 2018. In Bayreuth, it will be a new production, with Roberto Alagna in the title-role, as he announced it 3 weeks ago (in an interview to the Kurier again).
    An official press release has been jointly issued today by Christian THIELEMANN and Katharina WAGNER to clarify it and confirm their cast’s choice. You can see it attached to this tweet :

    https://twitter.com/roberto_alagna/status/521603499961110528

    and in the Kurier today:

    http://m.kurier.at/kultur/buehne/roberto-alagna-gibt-2018-in-bayreuth-den-lohengrin/90.943.760

    • Lohengrin

      This confusion is the best way for Bayreuth to remain on press-stage………………. Can´t beliefe that it happens accidential.

      • Orion

        For Bayreuth or for the Kurier, to make the buzz ? Bayreuth reacts immediatly by publishing the press release. Anyway it’s strange …

        • Orion

          (reacted sorry)

  • schweigundtanze

    Am I missing something? Is anyone really clamoring to hear a Lohengrin from Alagna in four years? Seems like the type of thing that never makes it to opening night to me.

    • Lohengrin

      Cannot believe that casting……

    • MontyNostry

      But I thought the same about Robertino’s Otello …

      • Lohengrin

        Watched Othello on YT a few days after the show: not my cup of tea (if not to say horrible); sorry.

        • Cicciabella

          Lohengrin, maybe you should change your name to He’s-A-Crap-Tenor-If-He’s-Not-Jonas-Kaufmann. They’ve cloned Dolly the Sheep: maybe they should clone Kaufmann as well so that he can sing all the tenor roles all over the world and all the time.

          • Lohengrin

            There are a lot of tenors I adore, but not in every role. PE Florez is my favorite for Rossini or Donizetti ans he will be a fine Werther. On the other hand: Those composers are nothing for JK.
            Nikolai Schukoff is underrated, I like his voice and the way he sings.
            Julian Pregardien is one of the best upcoming singers, especially Lied.
            You can see. that there are more than one tenors I like to hear AND see!
            Some of the “Stars” are greatly overestimated, Alagna is nowadays one of them. His great time lies inn the past. Who will hear him as Lohengrin 2018?!?!
            Beczala I like in some roles (Lensky), but not singing Verdi (Rigoletto from Met was poor singing). We will hear how he will manage Lohengrin 2016 in Dresden. Could be similar to Vogt (I like Vogts Lohengrin but not Italian repertoire, when he tried Cavaradossi).
            So I will keep my name. OK?

            • Cicciabella

              Thank you for taking the times to explain. I hope to hear Schukoff live in the Amsterdam Lohengrin next month. Beczala just gave a concert here with Damrau and her husband. He was very good in the Verdi selections, but excellent in the French excerpts (Faust, Werther, Manon). Damrau also shone as Manon. I will seek out Julien Pregardien, a new name for me.

            • Lohengrin

              Please tell about Lohengrin in Amsterdam! Schukoff was Parsifal in Lyon in the same production as JK sang at the Met. Interesting: Schukoff sang Don Jose at the same time there in NY; wasn´t is clever organized by Gelb?
              J.Pregarden is son of Christoph P. and cousin to Julia Kleiter. http://www.amazon.de/An-die-Geliebte-Julian-Pregardien/dp/B00JSDXCT6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1413292950&sr=8-1&keywords=julian+pregardien -> beautiful CD by Julian P.
              Beczala: French yes, Verdi no (remember his Alfredo at La Scala…).

            • Lohengrin

              Forgot to mention: From the not so young tenors I prefer Gregory Kunde (so very beautiful Aeneas), also like Marcello Alvarez (do You know his Tango-CD?).

            • Cicciabella

              Kunde is certainly a great tenor. He also sings the Verdi Otello, although I’ve never heard it. Thank you for the tip about the Alvarez tango CD. I loved him in the Met Ballo: a memorable performance. Will chime in on the DNO Lohengrin after I’ve been. It’s not a new production, but has a very beautiful set by sculptor Jannis Kounellis.

            • Lohengrin

              As You may have noticed that I perfer warm, powerful, mostly “deep” voices/Tenors.
              There also are Basses and Baritons on my list!
              There is a very young very good Bariton at Staatsoper Berlin: Gyla Orent; look at YT!

    • Buster

      Martinelli always wanted to sing Wagner too, but Gatti-Gassaza never let him. He dreamt of Siegmund, Tristan, and Parsifal, but only sang Lohengrin in the end, with Flagstad, and not at the Met.

      I would love to hear Alagna’s Lohengrin. If he is so keen on singing it, it is bound to be at least a little more special than dullards in the part, like my last one, John Treleaven.

      • Buster

        Martinelli sang Tristan, I see, in 1939, Chicago, and it is Gatti-Cassaza. The booklet in the Met Aida CD (with a fabulous Stella Roman) said it was Lohengrin.