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Raven review

PHOTO CREDIT – Richard Termine“The NY Phil Biennial, a new music festival that is dedicated to new music, kicked off its first season at a drowsy time on the performing arts calendar, the week after Memorial Day. But a pair of brief musical dramas, each about a fantastical beast, jolted audiences from their early summer doldrums.” [New York Observer]


  • 1
    Camille says:


    I am so sorry, I cannot get back to you right now for I have an anecdote about Delibes and Wagner, involving Tschaikovsky as well, but am too busy to put it all down at the moment.

    Your Freddi did good! So happy for you both.

    Bye for now,

    Mlle Camiknickéry von Nicht zu und von Schön

    ps = Phyto Universe has many, many wondrous French cremes for le visage! Try the French for your face, as they have a creme for every need.


    • 1.1
      marshiemarkII says:

      Cammib!!!!!! Just saw this. I’m at auction. Will reply tonight. Fabulous review from La C

      • 1.1.1
        Camille says:

        oh goody! Buy an urn for me to store my ashes in!!

      • 1.1.2
        Camille says:

        Phyto Universe has something called an “Homme Facial”.

        Okay, I know it is droll, but it might be a good one for you. It will set you back 150 American dollars, but I think they know what they are up to!

      • 1.1.3
        marshiemarkII says:

        My darlingest CammiB, the gurl is back, with a glorious Empire torchiere in Sienna marble and ormolu in tow, she is in heavens!!!!! worthy day for a change! :lol:

        So I will have to visit that Phyto store pour La Homa :lol: because the retin-A damage gets worse and worse……. and Ms Marshhilde Claudine von Wesendonck needs to look the part for the 17th! actually the much praised Freddi will be coming also, so I am really looking forward, and Mario was a dream of singing last week.

        Whatever happened to your chickadee Operateen that he disappeared just after showing us the wonderful interview he did? did you see that?!?!?!?!

        Oh I MUST hear the Delibes story, I keep hearing those pilfered lines whenever I hear the sacred Act II and want to go murder the ghost of Delibes for despicable thievery! I hope you are feeling better and ready to let it all fly :lol:

          Lohenfal says:

          Liebster MMII,

          I just want to wish you an enjoyable trip to Paris and Luxemburg. I don’t recall that the Meister ever visited the latter, but he certainly spent a good deal of time in the former. He probably wished he hadn’t, judging from his comments. If he had only written a ballet in the right act of Tannhäuser, all would have been well. :lol:

          You seem to be drawing inspiration from Mme. Wesendonck, or is it Mme. von??? Wesendonck? And how did Claudine enter the picture? Mathilde contributed greatly to several masterpieces by the Meister, in addition to writing those 5 poems. She would be pleased to hear of her having reached a higher social status.

          • marshiemarkII says:

            Carissssimo Lohenfal, not going just yet, until the 21st! lots of time to have fun still.
            Wasn’t Otto VON Wesendonck? was there a reason why she wasn’t a Von? of course she was the inspiration for Tristan in addition to the divine lieder, at least Tristan’s delirium which I still hear everywhere in the Parsifal ravings, I am liking Kaufmann more and more, he is certainly a million times better than Jerusalem, right?
            Right at this minute I am in the middle of the Blumenmaedchen…… what gorgeous music!

            Claudine is a left over remnant from December, remember Marie-Madeleine-Claudine the Madame DE Lidoine also :lol:

            • marshiemarkII says:

              And it match perfectly a fruitwood pedestal where one of the Meister Busts seats that has little paintings of Cosima on the sides, so gorgeous!

            • Lohenfal says:

              Liebster MMII,

              Otto’s family was of Dutch origin; their original name was van der Wesendonk, indicating origin but not nobility. In German, however, the name became simply Wesendonck. To have used von would have implied pretensions to the nobility. Ludwig kept his van Beethoven and thought it did confer some sort of noble status, but he was incorrect on that point, although he did treat his aristocratic patrons as equals. Otto was more humble, despite the great wealth he accumulated as a silk merchant.

              I well remember Claudine and Mme. Lidoine’s ascent to the noblesse. I questioned that one too. Of course, you can add any ornaments to these names, but I’m very literal-minded, so I’ll remain Lohenfal, not de Lohenfal, von Lohenfal, or anything similar. :lol:

              Yes, Kaufmann is far better than Jerusalem, but Jerusalem may have been the best available at that time, after Vickers gave up the role. Jerusalem was better than Domingo, whose voice was agreeable but whose German was not exactly idiomatic. It’s strange that he hasn’t tried any of the Wagner baritone roles yet--maybe they lie in his future.

            • marshiemarkII says:

              Interesting about Wesendonck, why is he always referred to as “von” though, I just found this on Wiki :“She married the silk merchant Otto Wesendonck (sometimes erroneously seen as von Wesendonck)”
              Most fascinating!!! thank you thank you thank you again!!!!. Of course that doesn’t prevent Marshhilde from being “von Wesendock” :lol:

              Yesssss Jerusalem was millions of times better than Coca di Cola, of course. You know I must confess, for a serious Parsifal Q I already was, having seen all four Vickers-Ludwing (79) and all four Vickers-Rysnek (85), in the early 90s I went to a performance with Domingo and Jessye Norman, and as soon as Act II started I was overcome by some fumes and in Morpheus’ arms I found myself for the rest of the act, sounds criminal in retrospect but happen it did! For a while after I kept saying I cannot remember how Jessye fared with the Bs, until my friend reminded me “that’s because you were sleeping the whole time” :lol:

            • manou says:

              Surely the phrase should be “Mathilde won Wesendonck”.

            • Krunoslav says:

              But Marshie, did you hear this ‘bel canto trio”?

              April 19, 1986 Matinee Broadcast

              PARSIFAL {253}

              Parsifal…………….Peter Hofmann
              Kundry………………Gail Gilmore
              Amfortas…………….Richard J. Clark

              Conductor……………James Levine

          • marshiemarkII says:

            By the way carisssimo Lohenfal, one day you will have to come to see the Wagner Shrine, here Chez Claudine, the new torchiere I just got is straight out of Villa Wahnfried, it is so Empire by way of the 1870s, exactly the period, and the bronze is very Germanic looking, one day you shall visit!

            • Lohenfal says:

              Your Shrine sounds very inviting and reminiscent of Wahnfried. I have a bust of the Meister on my piano but haven’t gone beyond that. Perhaps one day I shall see your version of Bayreuth.

            • marshiemarkII says:

              Yes you must!, the post about the fruitwood pedestal came out of place and should say of course matchES the lamp. But the pedestal is glorious with these little painted faces of Cosima on the sides, sublime!

          Buster says:

          Marshie -- if you have not seen the modern art museum in Luxembourg yet, it is definitely worth the climb. A Pei building, on a beautiful spot.

          • marshiemarkII says:

            Is it on the plateau I assume? the new Philharmonic Hall is also pretty gorgeous, and Muti is in residence for some time every year I was told…. is it near the museum? if so it is very close to where I work!

            • marshiemarkII says:

              This time I am arriving on Sunday morning so hopefully I’ll have the whole day to do a bit more than the last time….

            • Buster says:

              Yes, it is! It is easy to go the Metz for the day too, gorgeous cathedral.

            • marshiemarkII says:

              Yessss Metz! I should definitely visit, as you may remember Hildegard’s mother was from Metz!

            • Buster says:

              Remembered the connection, but forgot it was her mother. Take care!

    • 1.2
      Feldmarschallin says:

      Camille for my face I have two creams that work very well. First La Prarie and second La Mer. Do you know them? Also very good is Sisley. I have been using them for years now and usually switch off La Mer with La Prarie. Now for a pure sun cream nothing beats Sisley in the brown jar.

      • 1.2.1
        Camille says:

        Grosser GOTT Feldmarschallin!!! Der Fedmarschal must hold the Nibelungen horde in his possession to allow you to afford that Sisley brown jar sun crème!

        Gut HIMMEL! It is nearly $300US the jar/bottle!!! There are others that shall suffice for Camille, and a sunhat, while I’m at it!

        Sisley has a wonderful masque called Masque Crème à la Rose Noire (doesn’t it sound just like Magie Noire????) which has been making the rounds of all the beauty blogs and it really is a very nice and uplifting, shall we say, cream. Try a sample, if you can find one!!!! Very efficacious and it WORKS.

        I have been trying out Sisley of late but I do not use either La Mer nor La Prairie, although I have eyed a few items of theirs and remain undecided. I always make a test first, rather than buy a lot of stuff and then be stuck with it, as it all combines to quite a lot of geld.

        There is also Dr. Hauschka and Anne-Marie Borlind, from your corner of the world, and they are all right. Anyway, best to avoid the SUN!!!! GUAI!!!!

        Love your flowers, while ye may!!

          manou says:

          Well, Camille, I have met Feld -- and it is money well spent.

          • Camille says:

            Yes, that is the problem. Sometimes you really DO get what you pay for and it is worth your €€€£££$$$!!! Many times, it is not.

            I am happy to know Our Feldmarschallin lives up to your high standard.

            • Guestoria Unpopularenka says:

              Camilissima, no amount of sunscreen can beat staying out of the sun. The second is for free, too :P

            • Camille says:

              Haha! You have discovered my cost effective secret.

          Krunoslav says:

          With all these beauty tips flying around:

          • Camille says:

            She is well-loved, and deservedly so.

            I wonder what she looks like today.

          • Cicciabella says:

            I remember using that hot oil gunk! I don’t remember the ad, but Rula must have mesmerised me into buying it.

            • Camille says:

              Never worked for me, either, and invariably I spilled the gunk all over everything. I finally gave it up.

              Kérastase has all manner of marvelous oils these days, at a premium, to be sure. Better to do as I do and head for the Japanese grocery store and buy a big jar of #1! Tsubaki Oil.

              Tsubaki = Camellia. Works great. No heat necessary.

    • 1.3
      Camille says:

      My dear Madame Marshhilde Claudine WON Wesendon(c)k, ecc…..!

      Rather than wasting a lot of money on specialised spa treatments, what has occurred to me is this: since you shall be in The City of Light you should avail yourself of the many fine and highly efficacious products in the French pharmacies located in various lieus, and I attach this article from the serious and discriminating parfum connoisseur, the doyenne of

      You may find a particular item which works very much more effectively and economically and may also get some good advices from the pharmacological staff. As long as you are in Paris, try to find something that will REALLY help, rather than involving yourself in an expensive, once-in-a-while luxe treatment which does not net you longterm results. It pains me to hear you still suffer the aftereffects of the Retin-A, as it must have been a bad shock of your upper epidermal layer, to still be feeling the effects.

      Your best bet is to seek treatment in Paris for the French can cure problems with skin and have a solution for almost everything.

      Love and best and kindest wishes—
      Madame Camiknickéry von und Nicht zu Schön

      PS--the story about Wagner and Delibes goes like this, tout court: Tschaikovsky reviewed the first performance of a couple Ring operas, Siegfried and Götterdämmerung I think, and complained that he liked the horncall (Entrance of the Amazons if I recall correctly) from Delibes ballet Sylvia, MUCH more than Siegfried’s tootle on his horn! Now Sylvia was originally presented a year or so before Der Meister’s Werk, SO—perhaps it was the other way around, Marshyhildy!!!!! Perhaps Richard stole from Leo!!!! To get even with the Jockey Club, ENDLICH!!!!!!!

      As far as the similarity of the famous and much ballyhooed and alternatively disparaged “Viens, Malika!” Duet, frankly, I have never noticed a similarity to die Blümenmädchen’s music, but that does not mean a thing, as I am not a musicologist.

      And I just LURVE Delibes, and am most grateful to him for his delightful opera Lakmé, and his Coppélia, a ballet I have witnessed a half dozen times. He also wrote a little opera by the name of Le roi l’a dit, about which I know nada, except that is an opéra comique. Perhaps it is done occasionally dans la belle France.

      Take good care while abroad and be careful to hydrate sufficiently and not run yourself ragged. Oh, that reminds me of a very important skincare tip! Buy yourself a brumatiseur and spray that on your face all the time for water helps enormously. Besides the ubiquitous Evian, there is also Vichy and Caramance, which I buy here and which has aloe vera, an extremely healing and beneficial agent for burned skin, which is totally natural and relatively inexpensive and available at your local health foods store.

      I have to go back to my beauty nap now as I have my date with Bobby Devereux tonight. I am truly sorry I missed The Raven last week, and am so pleased for your dear friend’s success. Oh, and about OperaTeen, he is a very busy and industrious little bee, well on his way to becoming the General Manager of the MET, so he has only a limited amount of time for we old folks.

      drink a lotta agua!!!!!! Spray your face with agua!!!! It WORKS!

      • 1.3.1
        marshiemarkII says:

        CammiB mille grazie for the story on old Leo, I do LURVE my Coppélia also, so I was just agitating over nothing really :-) but I still do think the Lakme duet (just saw it with the glorious Layla Claire and Susie Graham and the FABULOUS Brian Zeger so I had it fresh in my mind) was pilfered from Act II. Oh well,

        It so most swetestestest of you to provide me with the guide to hedonistic Parigi, unfortunately the life of a working Q is not nearly as glam as our parterre persona, I’ll be at some corporate park dans le banlieu for the whole day, and with luck I’ll have free time to go to a nice restaurant in the city in the evening, and la prochaine matin is back to Sucksee, but I will keep the list for the next time, meanwhile AGUA AGUA lotsa AGUA, you know I drink a liter and a half everyday at the gayest, so always fully hydrated, but that retin-A left macchias that all of Araby’s and Kundry’s balsams will not erase….

        I hope you had a lovely time with Bobby this evening, and of course we are waiting and expecting chapter and verse of how every single note was articulated in Vivi ingrato a lei d’accanto that never fails to make THIS Regina lagrimar :lol:
        I sincerely hope Mme Devia was up to par!

          Guestoria Unpopularenka says:

          Te vas a Paris sin mi, desgraciada?!

          marshiemarkII says:

          Es que voy de trabajo ninita, cuando vaya de paseo te llevo como mi nana :lol:

          • Guestoria Unpopularenka says:

            Yo consozco la ciudad como la palma de mi mano! Claro, me refiero a los lugares mas elegantes y de alta sociedad; nada que ver con tus burdeles de carretera!!

          • marshiemarkII says:

            Bueno perrita, ya tambien la conozco bastante bien, no es como que es la primera vez asi que guia putesca no necesito, tu sabes nina, ELLA canto su primera Elektra en el Palais Garnier, sin hablar de la Avenue Montaigne……
            Besos cara mwahmwah :lol:

          Lohenfal says:

          Liebster MMII,

          I checked Grove’s articles on Delibes and Lakmé, all written by Hugh MacDonald. According to him, Delibes visited Bayreuth for Parsifal in 1882, so he did hear the piece, but he wrote the opera between July 1881 and June 1882. Unless he made some revisions after returning from Bayreuth, that would rule out any influence from our lieben Blumenmädchen, as the 1st Parsifal took place in late July. I always thought that duet was just generic exoticism, but your comments made me think twice. The last time I heard it was on TV recently, with Mmes. Fleming and Graham. It sure was a “guilty pleasure,” with the guilt outweighing the pleasure IMO.

          • marshiemarkII says:

            Mille grazie again carisssimo, it seems just perfect that he saw Parsifal at Bayreuth then and went back and revised whatever he had in that duet and pilfered some :lol:

            By the way, this sublime score is the gift that keeps on giving. Now I found the opening of Act II of Fidelio (dungeon scene) in a section of Kundry (can you guess where?!?!?!) and I also heard for the first time that descending scale from very end of Siegfried, the called Teufel motif from medieval music, it is also present in Beckmesser’s lied!!!!! it makes perfect sense for Kundry but I had never heard it before! what a fascinating score!!!!!!!

            • Lohenfal says:

              Liebster MMII,

              Sorry for the delay, but I was at the ballet yesterday and took a day off from opera. I need that sometimes.

              There are all sorts of allusions in Wagner, both to his own music and to that of others. That’s why I recommended the Deryck Cooke essay about his musical language. The more one listens to and reads about his work, the more one finds.

              I’m getting ready to watch the Glyndebourne Rosenkavalier to see if poor Tara Erraught deserved the negative comments from the critics. I’m so tired of looking at the Met version, which I once admired, that any change would seem welcome to me, even an Octavian that looks unconvincing. :lol:

          • oedipe says:


            Thank you for a worthy try, but no facts, no matter how commonsensical, will ever stay in the way of a good apocryphal story about yet another crappy talentless French composer pilfering from German genius.

            As for Lakmé (and French opera in general), people have gotten so used to hearing ersatz interpretations that they now believe ersatz is how it should be. And if ersatz French opera sounds tacky, cheap and heavy handed, why, blame the French composer, who else?

            Here are the glamorous -but tacky and generic- Mmes. Fleming and Graham, whom you have heard recently, followed by the lowly -but idiomatic and elegant- Sabine Devieilhe and Elodie Méchain in the same Flower Song: it is as if they sang a different piece altogether.

            • Krunoslav says:

              Solange Delmas and Germaine Cernay

            • Lohenfal says:


              Thanks for the reminder of what the Flower Duet should sound like. Fleming and Graham sound so heavy-handed in comparison that it seems almost like a parody. Unfortunately, in the USA we don’t get much that is authentic. When I saw the recent Met Werther, although I loved Jonas, I felt that Sophie Koch was the only true representative of Massenet’s intentions. Sadly, she went almost unnoticed in the uproar over Jonas.

          Camille says:

          Oh KEE-rist, Marshhildystein!!!
          You mean to tell me you will be in Parigi, o caro, but in a f——ing corporate park outside la Ville BUGGERAZIONE!!!!!

          Look, my dear MMII, just go, instead to The New London Pharmacy on 23rd and 8th Street. They are mentioned in the article from Bois de Jasmin, anyway. They are THE BEST in town. Forget Zitomer’s, Bigelow’s, etc.

          Just do as Camiknickers does, and go here:

          Ask the pharmacist about various products very specific to the problem, and try to wring out the very best and most cost effective ones. I am betting you will be pleasantly surprised at what you can find.

          You can get there by various means, crosstown 23rd bus is one and I forget which subway lines but there’s aplenty.

          CASE CLOSED.

          And don’t forget to bring an eye mask to rest on the plane over (beauty nap), and to hydrate, and don’t forget your translation guide from español to français.

          Camiknickéry von und zu Nicht so Schön und Schlecht