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		<title>By: kashania</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/03/08/ecco-il-leone/comment-page-6/#comment-123696</link>
		<dc:creator>kashania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know that&#039;s how I prefer to meet men.</description>
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		<title>By: iltenoredigrazia</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/03/08/ecco-il-leone/comment-page-6/#comment-123694</link>
		<dc:creator>iltenoredigrazia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He must have been on his knees when I met him.</description>
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		<title>By: BETSY_ANN_BOBOLINK</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/03/08/ecco-il-leone/comment-page-6/#comment-123692</link>
		<dc:creator>BETSY_ANN_BOBOLINK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh?  Where you come from, Sequoia Village?  Ramey is close to Tom Hampson, which would clock in at around 6&#039;2&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh?  Where you come from, Sequoia Village?  Ramey is close to Tom Hampson, which would clock in at around 6&#8217;2&#8243;</p>
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		<title>By: iltenoredigrazia</title>
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		<dc:creator>iltenoredigrazia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 117  richard, You sure that was Ramey?   He&#039;s not a tall man at all although he does have quite a bit of stage presence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 117  richard, You sure that was Ramey?   He&#8217;s not a tall man at all although he does have quite a bit of stage presence.</p>
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		<title>By: BETSY_ANN_BOBOLINK</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/03/08/ecco-il-leone/comment-page-6/#comment-123688</link>
		<dc:creator>BETSY_ANN_BOBOLINK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.... or IL BARBIERE with Sills in which he wears what appears to be the Eiffel Tower on his head.  (Shades of our doyenne and the Sydney Opera House.)  

I&#039;ve hesitated getting personal with our illustrious visitor, whom many take to be the true His Nibs, but I&#039;ve got a couple questions, just in case.

Number One concerns the RINALDO broadcast.  Is there a particular reason it has not surfaced on either Sirius or elsewhere?  I&#039;ve been waiting for it.


Number Two has to do with the infamous GIOVANNI.  I have no problem with nudity myself, but it&#039;s always been written into my contracts.  How did Miller get away with springing it on you unawares?  (Or &quot;underwears,&quot; remembering where we are.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;. or IL BARBIERE with Sills in which he wears what appears to be the Eiffel Tower on his head.  (Shades of our doyenne and the Sydney Opera House.)  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve hesitated getting personal with our illustrious visitor, whom many take to be the true His Nibs, but I&#8217;ve got a couple questions, just in case.</p>
<p>Number One concerns the RINALDO broadcast.  Is there a particular reason it has not surfaced on either Sirius or elsewhere?  I&#8217;ve been waiting for it.</p>
<p>Number Two has to do with the infamous GIOVANNI.  I have no problem with nudity myself, but it&#8217;s always been written into my contracts.  How did Miller get away with springing it on you unawares?  (Or &#8220;underwears,&#8221; remembering where we are.)</p>
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		<title>By: iltenoredigrazia</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/03/08/ecco-il-leone/comment-page-5/#comment-123687</link>
		<dc:creator>iltenoredigrazia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wladek:  ..&quot; the singer is already past history and in time a barely remembered name.

Are you referring to Ramey?   You gotta be kidding.  He may be past his prime but he&#039;s certainly not &quot;past history.&quot;   As to history, his place in Met Opera history is assured along other star basses such as Chaliapin, Pinza and Siepi.   Ramey is also featured in quite a few opera recordings.   People will be buying those records and hearing his voice well after you and he are gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wladek:  ..&#8221; the singer is already past history and in time a barely remembered name.</p>
<p>Are you referring to Ramey?   You gotta be kidding.  He may be past his prime but he&#8217;s certainly not &#8220;past history.&#8221;   As to history, his place in Met Opera history is assured along other star basses such as Chaliapin, Pinza and Siepi.   Ramey is also featured in quite a few opera recordings.   People will be buying those records and hearing his voice well after you and he are gone.</p>
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		<title>By: CruzSF</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/03/08/ecco-il-leone/comment-page-5/#comment-123686</link>
		<dc:creator>CruzSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Almavivante @ 185: thanks for the heads-up. I missed the first season of HD &#039;casts and didn&#039;t know the &lt;i&gt;Barbiere&lt;/i&gt; was included in that set.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almavivante @ 185: thanks for the heads-up. I missed the first season of HD &#8216;casts and didn&#8217;t know the <i>Barbiere</i> was included in that set.</p>
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		<title>By: almavivante</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/03/08/ecco-il-leone/comment-page-5/#comment-123685</link>
		<dc:creator>almavivante</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To cruzSF: To see Mr. Ramey in a comedy, watch the HD broadcast of the Met&#039;s current Barbiere from its first season, in which SR plays Don Basilio. Yes, there&#039;s a wide vibrato in his voice now, but he makes a very funny and oily music teacher, and the performance is to be cherished. (I was there on several occasions, including the prima, and loved it.)

To mephisto: If that really is you, Mr. Ramey, I agree with you completely about this misbegotten Attila, and that you are entitled to speak your mind. (Recall, also, that Juan Diego voiced his dislike of last season&#039;s Sonnambula, and at a Met-sponsored conversation a few years back, with Sonia Ganassi, he expressed his clear preference for traditional productions.)

And your choice of roles at this point in your career is very smart: in particular, your Grand Inquisitor was chilling. (Although I&#039;d leave Leporello to the youngsters now, such as Ildebrando D&#039;Arcangelo, who made him into a hapless bumpkin, or our Attila-of-the-moment, Ildar, who was charming in the part; but how well and pleasantly I recall you and Justino Diaz trading off Giovanni and his servant at NYCO back when!) Onward, Mr. Ramey!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To cruzSF: To see Mr. Ramey in a comedy, watch the HD broadcast of the Met&#8217;s current Barbiere from its first season, in which SR plays Don Basilio. Yes, there&#8217;s a wide vibrato in his voice now, but he makes a very funny and oily music teacher, and the performance is to be cherished. (I was there on several occasions, including the prima, and loved it.)</p>
<p>To mephisto: If that really is you, Mr. Ramey, I agree with you completely about this misbegotten Attila, and that you are entitled to speak your mind. (Recall, also, that Juan Diego voiced his dislike of last season&#8217;s Sonnambula, and at a Met-sponsored conversation a few years back, with Sonia Ganassi, he expressed his clear preference for traditional productions.)</p>
<p>And your choice of roles at this point in your career is very smart: in particular, your Grand Inquisitor was chilling. (Although I&#8217;d leave Leporello to the youngsters now, such as Ildebrando D&#8217;Arcangelo, who made him into a hapless bumpkin, or our Attila-of-the-moment, Ildar, who was charming in the part; but how well and pleasantly I recall you and Justino Diaz trading off Giovanni and his servant at NYCO back when!) Onward, Mr. Ramey!</p>
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		<title>By: CruzSF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CruzSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Mr. Ramey should come to SF. I&#039;d love to see him in a comedy. (I&#039;ve only seen him once, in last season&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Boris&lt;/i&gt;). With Ramey so much in the news now, I&#039;m contemplating attending the WNO &lt;i&gt;Hamlet&lt;/i&gt; in May.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Mr. Ramey should come to SF. I&#8217;d love to see him in a comedy. (I&#8217;ve only seen him once, in last season&#8217;s <i>Boris</i>). With Ramey so much in the news now, I&#8217;m contemplating attending the WNO <i>Hamlet</i> in May.</p>
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		<title>By: mefisto</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/03/08/ecco-il-leone/comment-page-5/#comment-123666</link>
		<dc:creator>mefisto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah!  Old bassos are never feted, they just fade away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah!  Old bassos are never feted, they just fade away.</p>
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		<title>By: wladek</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/03/08/ecco-il-leone/comment-page-5/#comment-123533</link>
		<dc:creator>wladek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The picture of the gentleman
wearing and holding the cross
says it all  in the matter of integrity- don;t need Savonarola
to expose the dichotomy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The picture of the gentleman<br />
wearing and holding the cross<br />
says it all  in the matter of integrity- don;t need Savonarola<br />
to expose the dichotomy.</p>
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		<title>By: BETSY_ANN_BOBOLINK</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/03/08/ecco-il-leone/comment-page-5/#comment-123481</link>
		<dc:creator>BETSY_ANN_BOBOLINK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ye&#039;re new to these parts, ain&#039;cha, pardner?  Mike, Wladek.  Wladek, Mike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ye&#8217;re new to these parts, ain&#8217;cha, pardner?  Mike, Wladek.  Wladek, Mike.</p>
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		<title>By: sfmike</title>
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		<dc:creator>sfmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wtf? Has Savonarola been reborn in the name of artistic integrity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wtf? Has Savonarola been reborn in the name of artistic integrity?</p>
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		<title>By: wladek</title>
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		<dc:creator>wladek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is the deplorable cowardly
 lack of artistic integrity
that is at issue and nothing else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is the deplorable cowardly<br />
 lack of artistic integrity<br />
that is at issue and nothing else.</p>
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		<title>By: sfmike</title>
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		<dc:creator>sfmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Samuel Ramey is pretty much the definition of an artistic professional, and I&#039;ve watched him at the San Francisco Opera over the decades put up with all kinds of directorial nonsense while still giving it his all. &quot;Attila&quot; sounded great musically on the radio broadcast the other Saturday, but if Ramey says the production itself was stupid, I can&#039;t think of a more honest and convincing criticism. He OWNED this role, people, for quite a number of years when hardly anybody else in the world was reviving it. Everybody else in their reviews were tippie-toeing around the fact that the production sucked, but it&#039;s interesting (and News!) that the entire cast basically hated it. Thank you, Mr. Ramey, for your honesty.

And fellow parterre commenters, &quot;mefisto&quot; in these threads is probably Samuel himself. You may be in a crazy internet thread with an authentic operatic legend commenting sanely in the middle of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Samuel Ramey is pretty much the definition of an artistic professional, and I&#8217;ve watched him at the San Francisco Opera over the decades put up with all kinds of directorial nonsense while still giving it his all. &#8220;Attila&#8221; sounded great musically on the radio broadcast the other Saturday, but if Ramey says the production itself was stupid, I can&#8217;t think of a more honest and convincing criticism. He OWNED this role, people, for quite a number of years when hardly anybody else in the world was reviving it. Everybody else in their reviews were tippie-toeing around the fact that the production sucked, but it&#8217;s interesting (and News!) that the entire cast basically hated it. Thank you, Mr. Ramey, for your honesty.</p>
<p>And fellow parterre commenters, &#8220;mefisto&#8221; in these threads is probably Samuel himself. You may be in a crazy internet thread with an authentic operatic legend commenting sanely in the middle of it.</p>
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		<title>By: wladek</title>
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		<dc:creator>wladek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ilteenor. In the scheme of things
you are correct it is not a crime,
and the singer is already past history and in time a barely remembered name. But he had a
choice ,it was not that he was 
starving  or at the mercy of some
evil boss-he had every right to comment ,but he did it as a coward ,for which he got paid
and a trusting audience got screwed ,and if the conductor
did the same knowing it was a
flawed presentation is he any better,no matter how well the orchestra played . When you fork
out some $200 bucks for a ticket
you could a least expect a$1.50
of honesty from the performers .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ilteenor. In the scheme of things<br />
you are correct it is not a crime,<br />
and the singer is already past history and in time a barely remembered name. But he had a<br />
choice ,it was not that he was<br />
starving  or at the mercy of some<br />
evil boss-he had every right to comment ,but he did it as a coward ,for which he got paid<br />
and a trusting audience got screwed ,and if the conductor<br />
did the same knowing it was a<br />
flawed presentation is he any better,no matter how well the orchestra played . When you fork<br />
out some $200 bucks for a ticket<br />
you could a least expect a$1.50<br />
of honesty from the performers .</p>
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		<title>By: mefisto</title>
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		<dc:creator>mefisto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I guess I am a member of the &quot;old guard&quot;.  Happily so.  I have been involved many avant gard productions over the years, but most of them made sense and did not look like concert performances in costume.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I guess I am a member of the &#8220;old guard&#8221;.  Happily so.  I have been involved many avant gard productions over the years, but most of them made sense and did not look like concert performances in costume.</p>
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		<title>By: PirateJenny</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/03/08/ecco-il-leone/comment-page-3/#comment-123435</link>
		<dc:creator>PirateJenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>then come sing in Toronto some day already! I would gladly contribute to his college fund with my ticket purchase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>then come sing in Toronto some day already! I would gladly contribute to his college fund with my ticket purchase.</p>
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		<title>By: CruzSF</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/03/08/ecco-il-leone/comment-page-4/#comment-123432</link>
		<dc:creator>CruzSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a powerhouse he is. He must have fantastic genes as not everyone can sing for as long as Domingo and then bounce back from cancer surgery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a powerhouse he is. He must have fantastic genes as not everyone can sing for as long as Domingo and then bounce back from cancer surgery.</p>
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		<title>By: mefisto</title>
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		<dc:creator>mefisto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He was at the met yesterday watching a rehearsal of HAMLET.  He&#039;s conducting the production of it at WNO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He was at the met yesterday watching a rehearsal of HAMLET.  He&#8217;s conducting the production of it at WNO.</p>
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		<title>By: mefisto</title>
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		<dc:creator>mefisto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can assure you that I&#039;m not alone amongst the cast regarding this production.  The team is pretty much unified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can assure you that I&#8217;m not alone amongst the cast regarding this production.  The team is pretty much unified.</p>
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		<title>By: mefisto</title>
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		<dc:creator>mefisto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not retiring.  Just because the Met has decided not to rehire me doesn&#039;t mean I don&#039;t have other work.  I&#039;ve got a 7-year-old son to put through college.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not retiring.  Just because the Met has decided not to rehire me doesn&#8217;t mean I don&#8217;t have other work.  I&#8217;ve got a 7-year-old son to put through college.</p>
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		<title>By: BETSY_ANN_BOBOLINK</title>
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		<dc:creator>BETSY_ANN_BOBOLINK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very admirable, Figaroindy.  (Notice the complete lack of sarcasm.) But it used to be different, and I think better.  I suspect Iltenoredigrazia remembers this too, but I can&#039;t be sure.  In the thirties, forties, and fifties, the earlest of which I have experience, acting was both a craft and a profession.  Certain things were expected of the actor and the actor was respected because he and only he could and would do those things.  And yes, Whatever, the director and designers were part of The Team, given equal respect for what they could do;  not more, equal.  (God, this is starting to sound like Arthur&#039;s last scene in &quot;Camelot.&quot;)  

But something happened.  I personally think it was when Suzy Parker was signed to a movie contract.  Actors began to feel that if they photographed well, the director would tell them what to do and make them look good.  In short, they became lazy, and since nature abhors a vacuum, the directors were more than willing to assume the extra power that the actors had abdicated.  Designers weren&#039;t far behind in bailing on &quot;The Team&quot; in asserting their dominant authority.  (I don&#039;t feel that particular skirmish has been settled yet.)  So what we have now is a highly adversarial relationship in which the Actor has become a mere pawn.

I have lots more to say on this subject, but I will cut it mercifully short, mainly because I despise pissing contests.  In other words, if what I say makes sense, fine and good.  If not, please attack me and we&#039;ll discuss it if it is of general interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very admirable, Figaroindy.  (Notice the complete lack of sarcasm.) But it used to be different, and I think better.  I suspect Iltenoredigrazia remembers this too, but I can&#8217;t be sure.  In the thirties, forties, and fifties, the earlest of which I have experience, acting was both a craft and a profession.  Certain things were expected of the actor and the actor was respected because he and only he could and would do those things.  And yes, Whatever, the director and designers were part of The Team, given equal respect for what they could do;  not more, equal.  (God, this is starting to sound like Arthur&#8217;s last scene in &#8220;Camelot.&#8221;)  </p>
<p>But something happened.  I personally think it was when Suzy Parker was signed to a movie contract.  Actors began to feel that if they photographed well, the director would tell them what to do and make them look good.  In short, they became lazy, and since nature abhors a vacuum, the directors were more than willing to assume the extra power that the actors had abdicated.  Designers weren&#8217;t far behind in bailing on &#8220;The Team&#8221; in asserting their dominant authority.  (I don&#8217;t feel that particular skirmish has been settled yet.)  So what we have now is a highly adversarial relationship in which the Actor has become a mere pawn.</p>
<p>I have lots more to say on this subject, but I will cut it mercifully short, mainly because I despise pissing contests.  In other words, if what I say makes sense, fine and good.  If not, please attack me and we&#8217;ll discuss it if it is of general interest.</p>
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		<title>By: iltenoredigrazia</title>
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		<dc:creator>iltenoredigrazia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...&quot;nevertheless was
not above appearing in it – comprimising his dignity as a man
never mind
his honesty to his audience , if he ever had any .&quot;

Not necessarily.  He had a contractual obligation to appear in those performances.   The public bought tickets for performances that listed him as part of the cast.   He did not fake illness in order to cancel.   He appeared and sang as well as he could.   For all we know he also did onstage everything he was asked to do by the director.  How more professional than that can you be?

And how more honest can he be than to let the public know that he did not endorse the production concept?

I&#039;m doing what I agree to do but I don&#039;t like it.   Perfectly honest and honorable attitude to me as long as he&#039;s not abetting a crime.   A real crime, that is.   Hasn&#039;t anyone ever told his/her boss, hey I disagree but I&#039;ll do what you tell me to do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8221;nevertheless was<br />
not above appearing in it – comprimising his dignity as a man<br />
never mind<br />
his honesty to his audience , if he ever had any .&#8221;</p>
<p>Not necessarily.  He had a contractual obligation to appear in those performances.   The public bought tickets for performances that listed him as part of the cast.   He did not fake illness in order to cancel.   He appeared and sang as well as he could.   For all we know he also did onstage everything he was asked to do by the director.  How more professional than that can you be?</p>
<p>And how more honest can he be than to let the public know that he did not endorse the production concept?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m doing what I agree to do but I don&#8217;t like it.   Perfectly honest and honorable attitude to me as long as he&#8217;s not abetting a crime.   A real crime, that is.   Hasn&#8217;t anyone ever told his/her boss, hey I disagree but I&#8217;ll do what you tell me to do?</p>
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		<title>By: armerjacquino</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More misrepresentation of what is surely a simple enough point. 

I have no idea whether the production is any good or not, I haven&#039;t seen it. What&#039;s at issue isn&#039;t the quality of the production, it&#039;s the professionalism of the performer.

To say I &#039;assume everyone reads this blog&#039; is of course absurd, unless you think this is the only place Ramey&#039;s comments have been discussed- in which case it&#039;s you, not me, who is the insular one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More misrepresentation of what is surely a simple enough point. </p>
<p>I have no idea whether the production is any good or not, I haven&#8217;t seen it. What&#8217;s at issue isn&#8217;t the quality of the production, it&#8217;s the professionalism of the performer.</p>
<p>To say I &#8216;assume everyone reads this blog&#8217; is of course absurd, unless you think this is the only place Ramey&#8217;s comments have been discussed- in which case it&#8217;s you, not me, who is the insular one.</p>
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		<title>By: maddalenadicoigny</title>
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		<dc:creator>maddalenadicoigny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;While the show is running a performer has a contract with the people who are paying to see it. The performance is compromised once the audience knows that one of the cast thinks it&#039;s rubbish&quot;

1. For once, I think La Cieca totally down-played how horrifc it is. The production, direction, sets, costumes ARE rubbish. Even if you read the artist&#039;s statement in the program and you try, try, try to give it a chance, it is sooo bad. The models?

2. I saw it last night and Sam went on and did his role
as Leone. Knowing that he was saying it was rubbish did nothing to alter my view of it or him and I am surprised Armer that you think otherwise when in fact, your gut must tell you that it stinks.  

3.You assume that everyone in the audience follows this blog or cares. 

4. Sam has performed this opera before in a different role and well, he kinda knows what works from within- from within the production as a performer and not the audience. 

5. He does have a right to express what his feelings are- the forum is arguable. 

6. As a performer, just think for a moment- you are onstage in a sad little nurse costume and a McDonald&#039;s red hat tryng to be Pope Leo with nothing around you. Um, hello? This is sad stuff. Maurizio Cattelan would be laughing. 

7. How is saying what he did a turn against management? They gotta know that this work demeans the artists involved. Marge Simpson/Bride o&#039;Frankenstein Urmana deserves kudos. 
8. Also, Sam rocked this out in Chicago years ago and the production was a bit stiff but it was genius compared to this. There was more movement, and the voices were actually warmer. The lyric dance is um models with their hands out? I recall Gruber and Michaels-Moore performed in Chicago and it was powerful not impotent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;While the show is running a performer has a contract with the people who are paying to see it. The performance is compromised once the audience knows that one of the cast thinks it&#8217;s rubbish&#8221;</p>
<p>1. For once, I think La Cieca totally down-played how horrifc it is. The production, direction, sets, costumes ARE rubbish. Even if you read the artist&#8217;s statement in the program and you try, try, try to give it a chance, it is sooo bad. The models?</p>
<p>2. I saw it last night and Sam went on and did his role<br />
as Leone. Knowing that he was saying it was rubbish did nothing to alter my view of it or him and I am surprised Armer that you think otherwise when in fact, your gut must tell you that it stinks.  </p>
<p>3.You assume that everyone in the audience follows this blog or cares. </p>
<p>4. Sam has performed this opera before in a different role and well, he kinda knows what works from within- from within the production as a performer and not the audience. </p>
<p>5. He does have a right to express what his feelings are- the forum is arguable. </p>
<p>6. As a performer, just think for a moment- you are onstage in a sad little nurse costume and a McDonald&#8217;s red hat tryng to be Pope Leo with nothing around you. Um, hello? This is sad stuff. Maurizio Cattelan would be laughing. </p>
<p>7. How is saying what he did a turn against management? They gotta know that this work demeans the artists involved. Marge Simpson/Bride o&#8217;Frankenstein Urmana deserves kudos.<br />
8. Also, Sam rocked this out in Chicago years ago and the production was a bit stiff but it was genius compared to this. There was more movement, and the voices were actually warmer. The lyric dance is um models with their hands out? I recall Gruber and Michaels-Moore performed in Chicago and it was powerful not impotent.</p>
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		<title>By: figaroindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>figaroindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not in the least - I didn&#039;t always agree with the direction, but I did what I could with what I&#039;d been given....and refrained from sharing my opinions until after the production - after all, my opinions aren&#039;t necessarily those of the entire public.  It&#039;s quite possible some people might really like a concept or idea that I don&#039;t like....and to voice my opinion and cause them not to see it themselves is the height of egotism.  I say, do what you&#039;re required to do and do it as well as you can.  I DO believe that doing what you agreed to do, even if it becomes something other than you were expecting, and not bailing on it, or causing ructions, is a noble thing, and I am proud of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not in the least &#8211; I didn&#8217;t always agree with the direction, but I did what I could with what I&#8217;d been given&#8230;.and refrained from sharing my opinions until after the production &#8211; after all, my opinions aren&#8217;t necessarily those of the entire public.  It&#8217;s quite possible some people might really like a concept or idea that I don&#8217;t like&#8230;.and to voice my opinion and cause them not to see it themselves is the height of egotism.  I say, do what you&#8217;re required to do and do it as well as you can.  I DO believe that doing what you agreed to do, even if it becomes something other than you were expecting, and not bailing on it, or causing ructions, is a noble thing, and I am proud of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Liana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry to disappoint you, by &quot;our&quot; I meant Polish, and it&#039;s why I didn&#039;t give the name - she&#039;s a national celebrity only. The whole thing took place in Warsaw, during the opening night of a production by Krystian Lupa, renowned mainly as theatre director, although he tried opera once, was booed in Wien and has been hating opera ever since. Anyway, the story didn&#039;t end like this, of course. The lady got fired, with the reason that &quot;she dind&#039;t fit into the team&quot;. She, in turn, got offended and said it, since she thought she should be fired because of the buttocks; otherwise, she is convinced she fitted into the team very well. But what followed was a national debate on artistic freedom and the limits of &quot;Regie&quot; in the theatre, still ongoing. The actress herself said later that she wanted to draw attention to the problem of extreme directorial experiments in state-subsidized institutions. Sounds familiar, doesn&#039;t it? Oh, and she also explained the naked buttocks: she wanted to show that the director was not sincere while saying that he was a supporter of artistic provocation, since it has become crystal-clear now that the only kind of provocation he accepts is his own :) .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry to disappoint you, by &#8220;our&#8221; I meant Polish, and it&#8217;s why I didn&#8217;t give the name &#8211; she&#8217;s a national celebrity only. The whole thing took place in Warsaw, during the opening night of a production by Krystian Lupa, renowned mainly as theatre director, although he tried opera once, was booed in Wien and has been hating opera ever since. Anyway, the story didn&#8217;t end like this, of course. The lady got fired, with the reason that &#8220;she dind&#8217;t fit into the team&#8221;. She, in turn, got offended and said it, since she thought she should be fired because of the buttocks; otherwise, she is convinced she fitted into the team very well. But what followed was a national debate on artistic freedom and the limits of &#8220;Regie&#8221; in the theatre, still ongoing. The actress herself said later that she wanted to draw attention to the problem of extreme directorial experiments in state-subsidized institutions. Sounds familiar, doesn&#8217;t it? Oh, and she also explained the naked buttocks: she wanted to show that the director was not sincere while saying that he was a supporter of artistic provocation, since it has become crystal-clear now that the only kind of provocation he accepts is his own <img src='http://parterre.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  .</p>
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		<title>By: Camille</title>
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		<dc:creator>Camille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 03:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The final two sentences of your first paragraph, which I am too tired to redact here, sum up my feelings. If there is any person in the world who should have something to say about this particular opera, one in which he has an estimable success, it SHOULD be Sam Ramey, and forget about the wobble and everything else -- this guy has earned his stripes and the right to call the shit from the shinola. 

Now that he is retiring he can open an Italian restaurant, &quot;Papa Leone&#039;s&quot;. 

Give &#039;em hell, Sam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The final two sentences of your first paragraph, which I am too tired to redact here, sum up my feelings. If there is any person in the world who should have something to say about this particular opera, one in which he has an estimable success, it SHOULD be Sam Ramey, and forget about the wobble and everything else &#8212; this guy has earned his stripes and the right to call the shit from the shinola. </p>
<p>Now that he is retiring he can open an Italian restaurant, &#8220;Papa Leone&#8217;s&#8221;. </p>
<p>Give &#8216;em hell, Sam.</p>
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		<title>By: wladek</title>
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		<dc:creator>wladek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 02:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liana -All she succeeded in doing
was to make an ass of herself.Comparing a vulgarity with
artistic integrity  is not quite the same thing .If artistic integrity
means nothing  and the vulgar rule
the day then that audience
gets what it deserves-just read  what our youngsters are doing to
each other following the grown up examples -and tell me integrity
can be &quot;moderate&quot; it is saying
one is slightly pregnant . If it is 
true- this so called artist is taking
our money for something he doesn&#039;t belive in ,there are other words you can use instead of &quot;taking&quot;, the worst  often believe in
what they do  and for that alone
you excuse the results however bad -but to believe something
is the pits and still take part in it
shows one lacks any moral fibre .never mind the artistic .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liana -All she succeeded in doing<br />
was to make an ass of herself.Comparing a vulgarity with<br />
artistic integrity  is not quite the same thing .If artistic integrity<br />
means nothing  and the vulgar rule<br />
the day then that audience<br />
gets what it deserves-just read  what our youngsters are doing to<br />
each other following the grown up examples -and tell me integrity<br />
can be &#8220;moderate&#8221; it is saying<br />
one is slightly pregnant . If it is<br />
true- this so called artist is taking<br />
our money for something he doesn&#8217;t belive in ,there are other words you can use instead of &#8220;taking&#8221;, the worst  often believe in<br />
what they do  and for that alone<br />
you excuse the results however bad -but to believe something<br />
is the pits and still take part in it<br />
shows one lacks any moral fibre .never mind the artistic .</p>
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