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		<title>By: mrmyster</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrmyster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 04:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Betsy - I don&#039;t think Miniacci is capable of the high camp necessary
to bring off the role of Thais -- in addition to which, I don&#039;t care
how good your make-up man is, there will be no getting around
the point that he&#039;s in drag, and that would kill the whole thing.
Let&#039;s move on.
Isn&#039;t it amusing how opera is *gestalt* for so many people? !! ?
They just endlessly read their own afflictions and prejudices into
it.
Indeed, let&#039;s move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Betsy &#8211; I don&#8217;t think Miniacci is capable of the high camp necessary<br />
to bring off the role of Thais &#8212; in addition to which, I don&#8217;t care<br />
how good your make-up man is, there will be no getting around<br />
the point that he&#8217;s in drag, and that would kill the whole thing.<br />
Let&#8217;s move on.<br />
Isn&#8217;t it amusing how opera is *gestalt* for so many people? !! ?<br />
They just endlessly read their own afflictions and prejudices into<br />
it.<br />
Indeed, let&#8217;s move on.</p>
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		<title>By: BETSY_ANN_BOBOLINK</title>
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		<dc:creator>BETSY_ANN_BOBOLINK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh goody, waters to be muddied.  I&#039;d like to sugges5t the perfect Thais, a soprano with the range, the tone, the temperament, the looks, the acting skills, and would need minimal make-up.  Michael Miniacci.  Of course, there&#039;s just one little problem . . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh goody, waters to be muddied.  I&#8217;d like to sugges5t the perfect Thais, a soprano with the range, the tone, the temperament, the looks, the acting skills, and would need minimal make-up.  Michael Miniacci.  Of course, there&#8217;s just one little problem . . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Bianca Castafiore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bianca Castafiore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>grazie, luvtennis.  

mrmyster has only referred to this singer as cuban 7 times in the last 2 months.  and btw, she might think of herself as american, has he thought about that?  apparently not.   being cuban apparently is much more relevant than the fact that she&#039;s a lyric soprano.

and btw, bringing out the old tired cliche of PC only masks how retrograde your prejudices are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>grazie, luvtennis.  </p>
<p>mrmyster has only referred to this singer as cuban 7 times in the last 2 months.  and btw, she might think of herself as american, has he thought about that?  apparently not.   being cuban apparently is much more relevant than the fact that she&#8217;s a lyric soprano.</p>
<p>and btw, bringing out the old tired cliche of PC only masks how retrograde your prejudices are.</p>
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		<title>By: mrmyster</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrmyster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Tennis, if I may say this without prejudice, you frame the question incorrectly. I do not contemplate &quot;casting according to race.&quot;  One does cast according to vocal type, to temperamental qualities, to visual qualities -- would you cast Alessandra Marc as Hoffman&#039;s doll (even if she could sing it), or Margaret Harshaw as Dailia (a role she once sang at the Paris Opera?).  No?  Yes?  I would not.  Looks/appearance certainly a factor in all casting, especially today at the Met.  I once heard a 400 lb woman audition for Mimi -- it broke your heart, for she had the most perfect Mimi voice you ever heard, and ravishing musicianship and emotional delivery. Yet, you could not put her on stage in that role.  If that same singer were black, and she was denied the role, a lot of people would argue that it was because she is black/African American (the better term).  It is a win-less argument, and race should have no part in it -- let&#039;s say a demure, dainty, almond-eyed African American had a Butterfly voice and was not cast because of her race -- THAT would be unacceptable. I agree.  Thais COULD be a black woman, if she had the voice and style.  Miss Price, to my taste, did not have the pure lyric voice or personal style of a Thais -- thus if I don&#039;t cast her in my opera house for those reasons, is that racial. Hell no!!!!  So, be careful how you frame the question and what your agendas are.  I think being militantly, often chip-on-shoulder &#039;politically correct&#039; in this matters is very out of date and pretty silly.  But go talk to Gelb. He&#039;s the master of casting!! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Tennis, if I may say this without prejudice, you frame the question incorrectly. I do not contemplate &#8220;casting according to race.&#8221;  One does cast according to vocal type, to temperamental qualities, to visual qualities &#8212; would you cast Alessandra Marc as Hoffman&#8217;s doll (even if she could sing it), or Margaret Harshaw as Dailia (a role she once sang at the Paris Opera?).  No?  Yes?  I would not.  Looks/appearance certainly a factor in all casting, especially today at the Met.  I once heard a 400 lb woman audition for Mimi &#8212; it broke your heart, for she had the most perfect Mimi voice you ever heard, and ravishing musicianship and emotional delivery. Yet, you could not put her on stage in that role.  If that same singer were black, and she was denied the role, a lot of people would argue that it was because she is black/African American (the better term).  It is a win-less argument, and race should have no part in it &#8212; let&#8217;s say a demure, dainty, almond-eyed African American had a Butterfly voice and was not cast because of her race &#8212; THAT would be unacceptable. I agree.  Thais COULD be a black woman, if she had the voice and style.  Miss Price, to my taste, did not have the pure lyric voice or personal style of a Thais &#8212; thus if I don&#8217;t cast her in my opera house for those reasons, is that racial. Hell no!!!!  So, be careful how you frame the question and what your agendas are.  I think being militantly, often chip-on-shoulder &#8216;politically correct&#8217; in this matters is very out of date and pretty silly.  But go talk to Gelb. He&#8217;s the master of casting!! <img src='http://parterre.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lucky Pierre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucky Pierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you, armer.</description>
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		<title>By: luvtennis</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry:

Your posts on this topic are not making sense to me.  Here is the bottomline from my perspective:

Casting a role based on the ethnic identity of the singers is bad.  If the best Aida available is white, cast her.  If the best Donna Anna available is black, cast her.  And, by the way, best doesn&#039;t include &quot;is closest to the color I think the character should be.&quot;  

[BTW, you might be surprised about how openminded 18th-early 19th century Europeans were about color.  Ever read Vanity Fair?]  

The fact that Price thought Salome an inappropriate role for her has absolutely nothing to do with the matter at hand.  She had the good sense to avoid a number of things that she could have sung, but she wisely took a longer view of her career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry:</p>
<p>Your posts on this topic are not making sense to me.  Here is the bottomline from my perspective:</p>
<p>Casting a role based on the ethnic identity of the singers is bad.  If the best Aida available is white, cast her.  If the best Donna Anna available is black, cast her.  And, by the way, best doesn&#8217;t include &#8220;is closest to the color I think the character should be.&#8221;  </p>
<p>[BTW, you might be surprised about how openminded 18th-early 19th century Europeans were about color.  Ever read Vanity Fair?]  </p>
<p>The fact that Price thought Salome an inappropriate role for her has absolutely nothing to do with the matter at hand.  She had the good sense to avoid a number of things that she could have sung, but she wisely took a longer view of her career.</p>
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		<title>By: luvtennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>luvtennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry/MrMyster:

Apart from whatever feelings about the morality of your expressed opinions, I can definitely say that Opera is going NOWHERE fast if we start casting according to race . . . again.

And please don&#039;t throw the PC tag at me as an insult.  I don&#039;t take openmindedness, tolerance, respect for others and refusal to accept the opinions of the majority as defining truth and reality as a bad thing.

BTW, Bianca - You made all the point anyone needed to make with the Gutierrez reference.

La Cieca - Can&#039;t tell from your reference but what are your thoughts on colorblind casting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry/MrMyster:</p>
<p>Apart from whatever feelings about the morality of your expressed opinions, I can definitely say that Opera is going NOWHERE fast if we start casting according to race . . . again.</p>
<p>And please don&#8217;t throw the PC tag at me as an insult.  I don&#8217;t take openmindedness, tolerance, respect for others and refusal to accept the opinions of the majority as defining truth and reality as a bad thing.</p>
<p>BTW, Bianca &#8211; You made all the point anyone needed to make with the Gutierrez reference.</p>
<p>La Cieca &#8211; Can&#8217;t tell from your reference but what are your thoughts on colorblind casting.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes,luvtennis, we know what you are trying to say. 

All this &#039;touchy-feel&#039; business about castng in opera.
Go and look at a audition call sheet for some musical show or play and look at the character &#039;break-down&#039; requirements by the producers. 

It is clear and explicit what they are requiring. It depends on the nature of the show. 
(Let;s set a possible random example) Would you say a Ms Saigon production, if looking for the main female lead : be some blonde Barbie doll ( even if she can sing and perform the pants off the other attendees or candidates)?. Or the female lead in Richad Rodgers&#039; No Strings or Bloody Mary&#039;s daughter in South Pacific. Certainly not. Is that also some sort of reverse P.C prejudice in play, put in that context? 
No! It would be a sound &#039;non prejudical&#039; business decision. A simple case of demand and someone fitting the announced requirements even if some form of ethnic consideration is part of the essential mix, choosing a successful candidate. 

Happily and thankfully with Opera as a medium &#039; such essentials&#039; seldom ever exist.
Yet, now the P.C&#039;s want to inject other forms of psychological P.C babble onto the characters in opera. If quirky and full of dramatic contradictions and someones questions it; up go the screams and accusations of every form of prejudice imaginable against its critics.
No wonder so many imbeciles are allowed to direct, (I should say &#039;muck&#039; around with it),and continue to survive  today. The easily impressioned: being besotted of such work then call it &#039;innovative or re-invented&#039; They will learn otherwise .....someday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes,luvtennis, we know what you are trying to say. </p>
<p>All this &#8216;touchy-feel&#8217; business about castng in opera.<br />
Go and look at a audition call sheet for some musical show or play and look at the character &#8216;break-down&#8217; requirements by the producers. </p>
<p>It is clear and explicit what they are requiring. It depends on the nature of the show.<br />
(Let;s set a possible random example) Would you say a Ms Saigon production, if looking for the main female lead : be some blonde Barbie doll ( even if she can sing and perform the pants off the other attendees or candidates)?. Or the female lead in Richad Rodgers&#8217; No Strings or Bloody Mary&#8217;s daughter in South Pacific. Certainly not. Is that also some sort of reverse P.C prejudice in play, put in that context?<br />
No! It would be a sound &#8216;non prejudical&#8217; business decision. A simple case of demand and someone fitting the announced requirements even if some form of ethnic consideration is part of the essential mix, choosing a successful candidate. </p>
<p>Happily and thankfully with Opera as a medium &#8216; such essentials&#8217; seldom ever exist.<br />
Yet, now the P.C&#8217;s want to inject other forms of psychological P.C babble onto the characters in opera. If quirky and full of dramatic contradictions and someones questions it; up go the screams and accusations of every form of prejudice imaginable against its critics.<br />
No wonder so many imbeciles are allowed to direct, (I should say &#8216;muck&#8217; around with it),and continue to survive  today. The easily impressioned: being besotted of such work then call it &#8216;innovative or re-invented&#8217; They will learn otherwise &#8230;..someday.</p>
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		<title>By: mrmyster</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrmyster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A comment to Bianca Castafiore:  I mention that Sra. Gutierrez is Cuban because her own web site says that she is, and program books from various of her performances call her, &quot;Cuban American&quot; or &quot;Cuban.&quot;
    Why be so defensive about being Cuban?  What&#039;s wrong with it?  I think it&#039;s fine!
Eglise a considerable talent and a positive force in the shows that cast her.  Graham is American, and in an Amereican context it is not necessarily required by editors to write that. Costello is Italian?  Really?  I thought him to be American also. In my experience, Costello is an Irish name.  
     It pleases me to send you a polite reply so that you may see an example
of how reasonable people of decent temperament can handle offensive oafs,
especially when they are way off target.
     Have a nice day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A comment to Bianca Castafiore:  I mention that Sra. Gutierrez is Cuban because her own web site says that she is, and program books from various of her performances call her, &#8220;Cuban American&#8221; or &#8220;Cuban.&#8221;<br />
    Why be so defensive about being Cuban?  What&#8217;s wrong with it?  I think it&#8217;s fine!<br />
Eglise a considerable talent and a positive force in the shows that cast her.  Graham is American, and in an Amereican context it is not necessarily required by editors to write that. Costello is Italian?  Really?  I thought him to be American also. In my experience, Costello is an Irish name.<br />
     It pleases me to send you a polite reply so that you may see an example<br />
of how reasonable people of decent temperament can handle offensive oafs,<br />
especially when they are way off target.<br />
     Have a nice day!</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The same argument comes up in regards to roles like Salome. Price recorded the Final Scene and announced at the same time she would never sing it on stage. Whatever the reason was, she never said, as far as I can discern. Why not,?  We can only conject upon.

Now taking that same role as one of those precious P.C examples : should any &#039;over large&#039; lady be recommended or encouraged  to do it on stage ? Those that have seen such examples usually reported a comical dance that destroyed all sense of the inner character already developed by the singer. That inability to impulsively move swiftly at times, belies the description by Herod, that Salome &#039;is a snake&#039; around this part of the opera.
Political correctness has no time for cold hard blunt fact.
True artistty : calls for a artist to also make their own sound personal judgments, on behalf of those they wish to perform to. That includes judgments made , that fully centralises on their singing and presentation in the best light, at all times. Not leave it to others to make it for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The same argument comes up in regards to roles like Salome. Price recorded the Final Scene and announced at the same time she would never sing it on stage. Whatever the reason was, she never said, as far as I can discern. Why not,?  We can only conject upon.</p>
<p>Now taking that same role as one of those precious P.C examples : should any &#8216;over large&#8217; lady be recommended or encouraged  to do it on stage ? Those that have seen such examples usually reported a comical dance that destroyed all sense of the inner character already developed by the singer. That inability to impulsively move swiftly at times, belies the description by Herod, that Salome &#8216;is a snake&#8217; around this part of the opera.<br />
Political correctness has no time for cold hard blunt fact.<br />
True artistty : calls for a artist to also make their own sound personal judgments, on behalf of those they wish to perform to. That includes judgments made , that fully centralises on their singing and presentation in the best light, at all times. Not leave it to others to make it for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Nerva Nelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nerva Nelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Costello is Irish-American. He told me so.</description>
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		<title>By: Bianca Castafiore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bianca Castafiore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>amazing.  how many times will this dinosaur from santa fe mention that eglise gutierrez is cuban.  is this man senile, has alzheimer&#039;s or autism?  somehow he never mentions that costello is italian or graham anglo-saxon.  

mrmyster, sometimes you sound more intelligent when you don&#039;t speak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amazing.  how many times will this dinosaur from santa fe mention that eglise gutierrez is cuban.  is this man senile, has alzheimer&#8217;s or autism?  somehow he never mentions that costello is italian or graham anglo-saxon.  </p>
<p>mrmyster, sometimes you sound more intelligent when you don&#8217;t speak.</p>
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		<title>By: mrmyster</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrmyster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 05:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Faust and all its arias, but theatre is not. It is just
a series of numbers -- a commentator recently called it
an &quot;opereatta.&quot;  I think he has a point.   Manon is fine
theatre, sometimes I feel Werther is - well Pelleas is
impressionistic theatre -- and I find it dramatically
effective in a pale sort of way. Lakme strikes be as
kitsch or high-camp, neither one a bad word in my
operatic vocabulary -- there is certainly room for that
kind of self-conscious &quot;show biz&quot; mentality PROVIDED
it is really well played and sung -- like the Met&#039;s
Thais last year.   I wont argue with people who like
Hoffman -- I heartily dislike it; find it a sick-sick
piece and I always feel bad after seeing/hearing one.
So I try to stay away from it.  However, none of this
need be taken too seriously -- after all, it&#039;s just
opera!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Faust and all its arias, but theatre is not. It is just<br />
a series of numbers &#8212; a commentator recently called it<br />
an &#8220;opereatta.&#8221;  I think he has a point.   Manon is fine<br />
theatre, sometimes I feel Werther is &#8211; well Pelleas is<br />
impressionistic theatre &#8212; and I find it dramatically<br />
effective in a pale sort of way. Lakme strikes be as<br />
kitsch or high-camp, neither one a bad word in my<br />
operatic vocabulary &#8212; there is certainly room for that<br />
kind of self-conscious &#8220;show biz&#8221; mentality PROVIDED<br />
it is really well played and sung &#8212; like the Met&#8217;s<br />
Thais last year.   I wont argue with people who like<br />
Hoffman &#8212; I heartily dislike it; find it a sick-sick<br />
piece and I always feel bad after seeing/hearing one.<br />
So I try to stay away from it.  However, none of this<br />
need be taken too seriously &#8212; after all, it&#8217;s just<br />
opera!</p>
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		<title>By: mrmyster</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrmyster</dc:creator>
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		<description>Buster - Thanks for the Mula, above.  What can one say?
She omits the high-C at the end of the aria. What&#039;s the
point?  The diction is lousy, legato and phrasing not
great, and the voice missing some of the pleasing &#039;float&#039;
which Mme Fleming supplies so generously, not to speak
of the high-C.   Not a role for Mula, I would say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buster &#8211; Thanks for the Mula, above.  What can one say?<br />
She omits the high-C at the end of the aria. What&#8217;s the<br />
point?  The diction is lousy, legato and phrasing not<br />
great, and the voice missing some of the pleasing &#8216;float&#8217;<br />
which Mme Fleming supplies so generously, not to speak<br />
of the high-C.   Not a role for Mula, I would say.</p>
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		<title>By: RudigerVT</title>
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		<dc:creator>RudigerVT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I&#039;m not so sure. Her Montreal Lucia was definitely committed. But to my ears, there&#039;s something a little bit wrong with her voice. It&#039;s as though there&#039;s a hole in it. It&#039;s like an organ with 16&#039; and 4&#039; stops set open. But for lack of an 8&#039;, the sound&#039;s just a bit diffuse. 

Anyway, although I know she&#039;s probably considered a b-house, provincial (Canadian) thing, mostly, Lynne Fortin was quite good as Thais. And she&#039;s blonde. 

LPR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I&#8217;m not so sure. Her Montreal Lucia was definitely committed. But to my ears, there&#8217;s something a little bit wrong with her voice. It&#8217;s as though there&#8217;s a hole in it. It&#8217;s like an organ with 16&#8242; and 4&#8242; stops set open. But for lack of an 8&#8242;, the sound&#8217;s just a bit diffuse. </p>
<p>Anyway, although I know she&#8217;s probably considered a b-house, provincial (Canadian) thing, mostly, Lynne Fortin was quite good as Thais. And she&#8217;s blonde. </p>
<p>LPR</p>
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		<title>By: armerjacquino</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/02/08/the-peoples-courtesan/comment-page-2/#comment-118741</link>
		<dc:creator>armerjacquino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was pretty simple, sweetheart- you can&#039;t present a series of opinions and claim them as facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was pretty simple, sweetheart- you can&#8217;t present a series of opinions and claim them as facts.</p>
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		<title>By: La Cieca</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/02/08/the-peoples-courtesan/comment-page-2/#comment-118738</link>
		<dc:creator>La Cieca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;que rien ne ternira l&#039;or pur de mes cheveux,&quot; she says, which is admittedly more allusive than explicit, but it points pretty clearly toward blond locks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;que rien ne ternira l&#8217;or pur de mes cheveux,&#8221; she says, which is admittedly more allusive than explicit, but it points pretty clearly toward blond locks.</p>
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		<title>By: Indiana Loiterer III</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/02/08/the-peoples-courtesan/comment-page-2/#comment-118733</link>
		<dc:creator>Indiana Loiterer III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But is Thais &lt;b&gt;supposed&lt;/b&gt;specifically to be blonde?  Or is she just supposed to look exotically beautiful, which could mean anything from fairest blonde to darkest black?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But is Thais <b>supposed</b>specifically to be blonde?  Or is she just supposed to look exotically beautiful, which could mean anything from fairest blonde to darkest black?</p>
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		<title>By: mrmyster</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/02/08/the-peoples-courtesan/comment-page-2/#comment-118730</link>
		<dc:creator>mrmyster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Garanca is a wonderful Charlotte, but you know that. I am
afraid Thais will have to stay where it is -- those soprano
top notes help seal the deal.  But the ideal casting has
finally surfaced: Eglise Gutierrez, the Cuban soprano.
Ideal, on all counts.
Give it a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Garanca is a wonderful Charlotte, but you know that. I am<br />
afraid Thais will have to stay where it is &#8212; those soprano<br />
top notes help seal the deal.  But the ideal casting has<br />
finally surfaced: Eglise Gutierrez, the Cuban soprano.<br />
Ideal, on all counts.<br />
Give it a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: mrmyster</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/02/08/the-peoples-courtesan/comment-page-2/#comment-118728</link>
		<dc:creator>mrmyster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read it again, Jacquino:  non-reality is the world of excessive
&#039;political correctness,&#039; as I believe is made clear. Of course I am
offering personal opinion here -- that is our lingua franca, but
factual support helps.
You think Price looked like Butterfly, Minnie, Thais?  I think
not!!!  Not in my experience.  However, if you grew up in remote
corners of the Empire maybe some of your regie opera conditioned
you to such players. North America and a bit of Europe for me
did not -- I tend to expect opera characters to look like what 
Mozart or Verdi expected them to. 
And what petard is that, Sweetheart?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read it again, Jacquino:  non-reality is the world of excessive<br />
&#8216;political correctness,&#8217; as I believe is made clear. Of course I am<br />
offering personal opinion here &#8212; that is our lingua franca, but<br />
factual support helps.<br />
You think Price looked like Butterfly, Minnie, Thais?  I think<br />
not!!!  Not in my experience.  However, if you grew up in remote<br />
corners of the Empire maybe some of your regie opera conditioned<br />
you to such players. North America and a bit of Europe for me<br />
did not &#8212; I tend to expect opera characters to look like what<br />
Mozart or Verdi expected them to.<br />
And what petard is that, Sweetheart?</p>
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		<title>By: Indiana Loiterer III</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/02/08/the-peoples-courtesan/comment-page-2/#comment-118727</link>
		<dc:creator>Indiana Loiterer III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Massenet didn&#039;t transpose &lt;i&gt;Werther&lt;/i&gt;; he just rewrote Werther&#039;s vocal lines and left the rest of the score unaltered...Garanca will just have to take on Lucy Arbell&#039;s mantle instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Massenet didn&#8217;t transpose <i>Werther</i>; he just rewrote Werther&#8217;s vocal lines and left the rest of the score unaltered&#8230;Garanca will just have to take on Lucy Arbell&#8217;s mantle instead.</p>
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		<title>By: No Expert</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/02/08/the-peoples-courtesan/comment-page-1/#comment-118725</link>
		<dc:creator>No Expert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, Mignon: Girl working as attraction in traveling sideshow hates  girl working as actress in traveling Shakespeare company; inspires arsonist; discovers crazy old guy is her dad. 

With a plot like that, you know the music has to be beautiful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Mignon: Girl working as attraction in traveling sideshow hates  girl working as actress in traveling Shakespeare company; inspires arsonist; discovers crazy old guy is her dad. </p>
<p>With a plot like that, you know the music has to be beautiful!</p>
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		<title>By: kashania</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/02/08/the-peoples-courtesan/comment-page-2/#comment-118722</link>
		<dc:creator>kashania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant. Sam Ramey will finally be able to take on Athanael (a la Domingo in SB).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant. Sam Ramey will finally be able to take on Athanael (a la Domingo in SB).</p>
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		<title>By: MDtenore</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/02/08/the-peoples-courtesan/comment-page-2/#comment-118708</link>
		<dc:creator>MDtenore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I for one would be too thrilled to jump into a time machine to witness the young Price Thais.  Too bad she didn&#039;t continue the role, maybe even with some direction.  Her studio recording as well as the live recording of the Mirror Aria are absolutely amazing!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one would be too thrilled to jump into a time machine to witness the young Price Thais.  Too bad she didn&#8217;t continue the role, maybe even with some direction.  Her studio recording as well as the live recording of the Mirror Aria are absolutely amazing!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ercole Farnese</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/02/08/the-peoples-courtesan/comment-page-2/#comment-118694</link>
		<dc:creator>Ercole Farnese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know how to solve the Thais casting problem.  Transpose the role one third down and hire Elina Garanca.  Massenet would not disapprove. He transposed Werther, after all.  Not to mention that he would be head over heels for a blond beauty like Garanca.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know how to solve the Thais casting problem.  Transpose the role one third down and hire Elina Garanca.  Massenet would not disapprove. He transposed Werther, after all.  Not to mention that he would be head over heels for a blond beauty like Garanca.</p>
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		<title>By: armerjacquino</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/02/08/the-peoples-courtesan/comment-page-2/#comment-118636</link>
		<dc:creator>armerjacquino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calling someone&#039;s performance &#039;awkward, ungainly and not expressive&#039; and then saying that thinking otherwise is &#039;departing from reality&#039; is nothing like &#039;dangerously factual&#039;- it&#039;s three pieces of pure opinion followed by a wildly subjective conclusion.

Hoist by your own petard, sweetheart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calling someone&#8217;s performance &#8216;awkward, ungainly and not expressive&#8217; and then saying that thinking otherwise is &#8216;departing from reality&#8217; is nothing like &#8216;dangerously factual&#8217;- it&#8217;s three pieces of pure opinion followed by a wildly subjective conclusion.</p>
<p>Hoist by your own petard, sweetheart.</p>
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		<title>By: Ercole Farnese</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/02/08/the-peoples-courtesan/comment-page-2/#comment-118634</link>
		<dc:creator>Ercole Farnese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I am sorry, I don&#039;t know the name of the baritone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I am sorry, I don&#8217;t know the name of the baritone.</p>
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		<title>By: mrmyster</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/02/08/the-peoples-courtesan/comment-page-2/#comment-118617</link>
		<dc:creator>mrmyster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.....sorry, make that &quot;too&quot; far!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;..sorry, make that &#8220;too&#8221; far!</p>
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		<title>By: mrmyster</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/02/08/the-peoples-courtesan/comment-page-2/#comment-118616</link>
		<dc:creator>mrmyster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, she did not look the part. She was awkward,
ungainly, not expressive of face -- and so on. One
departs reality if one argues otherwise. You are
welcome to skip my posts, they are dangerously
factual. 
You do know, Mr Tennis, that so-called &quot;political
correctness&quot; can go to far. Waaay to far.  One day
the Nation may recover from all that, but right now
we are paying the price. 
Bye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, she did not look the part. She was awkward,<br />
ungainly, not expressive of face &#8212; and so on. One<br />
departs reality if one argues otherwise. You are<br />
welcome to skip my posts, they are dangerously<br />
factual.<br />
You do know, Mr Tennis, that so-called &#8220;political<br />
correctness&#8221; can go to far. Waaay to far.  One day<br />
the Nation may recover from all that, but right now<br />
we are paying the price.<br />
Bye.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucky Pierre</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2010/02/08/the-peoples-courtesan/comment-page-2/#comment-118612</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucky Pierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ercole, grazie, for this.  who&#039;s the athanael?  man, is he loud.  

la nizza is a good singer but there&#039;s something about her voice, it doesn&#039;t move smoothly,  you know, it seems to change color from note to note a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ercole, grazie, for this.  who&#8217;s the athanael?  man, is he loud.  </p>
<p>la nizza is a good singer but there&#8217;s something about her voice, it doesn&#8217;t move smoothly,  you know, it seems to change color from note to note a lot.</p>
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