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		<title>By: easywes</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2009/12/20/toscas-dress/comment-page-3/#comment-111520</link>
		<dc:creator>easywes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s even more apparent in the Bondy staging, as she enters via the left staircase and walks around a bit, way before her line &quot;Mario, tu qui?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s even more apparent in the Bondy staging, as she enters via the left staircase and walks around a bit, way before her line &#8220;Mario, tu qui?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: quoth the maven</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2009/12/20/toscas-dress/comment-page-1/#comment-111432</link>
		<dc:creator>quoth the maven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LC&#039;s post did not discuss the relative merits of the two &lt;i&gt;Tosca&lt;/i&gt; productions. She has done that elsewhere, including (if we can assume that Mr. Jordan speaks for her) in the pages of the &lt;i&gt;New York Post&lt;/i&gt;. Here, in fact, she didn&#039;t even mention the Met&#039;s previous production. She simply addressed a relatively minor detail---but one that detractors have presented as proof of Bondy&#039;s failings. If I may extrapolate from her quite (in my eyes) temperate posting, she was saying &quot;Go ahead and disparage the Bondy production. But don&#039;t use the costume change as a reason.&quot; 

Still, it seems that any suggestion that the Bondy production isn&#039;t putrid in all respects strikes you as an &quot;overstatement.&quot; 

(In case you&#039;re wondering, I myself found the Bondy production uninspired and dull--a true dud, with the unexpected effect of making Zeffirelli&#039;s frou-frou nonsense look good in comparison.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LC&#8217;s post did not discuss the relative merits of the two <i>Tosca</i> productions. She has done that elsewhere, including (if we can assume that Mr. Jordan speaks for her) in the pages of the <i>New York Post</i>. Here, in fact, she didn&#8217;t even mention the Met&#8217;s previous production. She simply addressed a relatively minor detail&#8212;but one that detractors have presented as proof of Bondy&#8217;s failings. If I may extrapolate from her quite (in my eyes) temperate posting, she was saying &#8220;Go ahead and disparage the Bondy production. But don&#8217;t use the costume change as a reason.&#8221; </p>
<p>Still, it seems that any suggestion that the Bondy production isn&#8217;t putrid in all respects strikes you as an &#8220;overstatement.&#8221; </p>
<p>(In case you&#8217;re wondering, I myself found the Bondy production uninspired and dull&#8211;a true dud, with the unexpected effect of making Zeffirelli&#8217;s frou-frou nonsense look good in comparison.)</p>
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		<title>By: Camille</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2009/12/20/toscas-dress/comment-page-3/#comment-111372</link>
		<dc:creator>Camille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tosca&#039;s dress was not the mistake so much as Mattila&#039;s singing of the role.  

Wrong as Manon Lescaut, and wronger still as Tosca, and most of all, that wrong, wronger, wrongest schmatte she&#039;s donned in the terzo atto.  Looks to have been purchased on the banks of the Tiber at the famous outdoor Roman flea market, Porta Portese.

All wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tosca&#8217;s dress was not the mistake so much as Mattila&#8217;s singing of the role.  </p>
<p>Wrong as Manon Lescaut, and wronger still as Tosca, and most of all, that wrong, wronger, wrongest schmatte she&#8217;s donned in the terzo atto.  Looks to have been purchased on the banks of the Tiber at the famous outdoor Roman flea market, Porta Portese.</p>
<p>All wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Baritenor</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2009/12/20/toscas-dress/comment-page-3/#comment-111359</link>
		<dc:creator>Baritenor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She technically (depending on tempi) has about about a minute, which COULD be enough time to sing a last high note, take a bow and run up to Scarpia&#039;s office...if it&#039;s on the first floor. But yeah, it&#039;s close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She technically (depending on tempi) has about about a minute, which COULD be enough time to sing a last high note, take a bow and run up to Scarpia&#8217;s office&#8230;if it&#8217;s on the first floor. But yeah, it&#8217;s close.</p>
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		<title>By: Baritenor</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2009/12/20/toscas-dress/comment-page-2/#comment-111358</link>
		<dc:creator>Baritenor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually....not really. Good, yes, better than Mattila, yes, but Brilliant? Nah, not really her role.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually&#8230;.not really. Good, yes, better than Mattila, yes, but Brilliant? Nah, not really her role.</p>
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		<title>By: maddalenadicoigny</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2009/12/20/toscas-dress/comment-page-2/#comment-111352</link>
		<dc:creator>maddalenadicoigny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 04:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you.</description>
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		<title>By: maddalenadicoigny</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2009/12/20/toscas-dress/comment-page-3/#comment-111351</link>
		<dc:creator>maddalenadicoigny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 04:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, I thought I was wrong.</description>
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		<title>By: maddalenadicoigny</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2009/12/20/toscas-dress/comment-page-1/#comment-111350</link>
		<dc:creator>maddalenadicoigny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 04:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>quoth-
Thank you, but the bat is there. It is overstated in that he, oops she, is making a very strong response, in my opinion too strong about an issue begun on another blog. Without that context, and context seems to be central here, the piece which is thought out seems far too earnest, almost overzealous. I agree with Richard and others in that the dress is &quot;no big deal&quot;. Though I appreciate, and yes, really admire Zef&#039;s for historical reasons and for the artistic effort that is central to his formula, I do not think that his Tosca or his other productions are in anyway definitive. No way. Tosca comes close but no cigar. But to outright trash his works because they are &quot;done&quot; does not acknowledge what was right. Why not? 
I refuse to believe that anyone can just reduce the noise about the Bondy version to &quot;people hate it because it is not Zef&#039;s&quot;. Come on. It is bad- you know it when you see it, if not when you hear it which I think IS more important. Again, even a regional Tosca was better than this Bondy. Bondy is not bad, this Tosca is and for all it was supposed to be, it is a bomb. Why does it matter? 
It matters because on principle, Gelb is right, new productions must be created. Absolutely. 

However, the measure of what is right is not a gamble if there is good judgement. That is more relevant. Forget the dress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>quoth-<br />
Thank you, but the bat is there. It is overstated in that he, oops she, is making a very strong response, in my opinion too strong about an issue begun on another blog. Without that context, and context seems to be central here, the piece which is thought out seems far too earnest, almost overzealous. I agree with Richard and others in that the dress is &#8220;no big deal&#8221;. Though I appreciate, and yes, really admire Zef&#8217;s for historical reasons and for the artistic effort that is central to his formula, I do not think that his Tosca or his other productions are in anyway definitive. No way. Tosca comes close but no cigar. But to outright trash his works because they are &#8220;done&#8221; does not acknowledge what was right. Why not?<br />
I refuse to believe that anyone can just reduce the noise about the Bondy version to &#8220;people hate it because it is not Zef&#8217;s&#8221;. Come on. It is bad- you know it when you see it, if not when you hear it which I think IS more important. Again, even a regional Tosca was better than this Bondy. Bondy is not bad, this Tosca is and for all it was supposed to be, it is a bomb. Why does it matter?<br />
It matters because on principle, Gelb is right, new productions must be created. Absolutely. </p>
<p>However, the measure of what is right is not a gamble if there is good judgement. That is more relevant. Forget the dress.</p>
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		<title>By: CruzSF</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2009/12/20/toscas-dress/comment-page-3/#comment-111349</link>
		<dc:creator>CruzSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 03:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I didn&#039;t spend enough time in the Parallel Universe. Back to PU for me.</description>
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		<title>By: Verdilover</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2009/12/20/toscas-dress/comment-page-2/#comment-111347</link>
		<dc:creator>Verdilover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 02:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed in all aspects</description>
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		<title>By: easywes</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2009/12/20/toscas-dress/comment-page-3/#comment-111329</link>
		<dc:creator>easywes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The dress issue could really go either way and doesn&#039;t really bother me. For me, it&#039;s earlier in Act Two when Tosca makes her entrance. Before her entrance, Tosca is singing the cantata offstage. Scarpia is distracted by this music and closes the window to continue with Mario&#039;s interrogation. Tosca makes her entrance literally seconds after this window is closed. I&#039;ve always wondered how she could get up to Scarpia&#039;s apartment so soon. Technically, the cantata&#039;s not even finished at the point Scarpia closes the window. And wouldn&#039;t she of taken some bows after finishing the cantata?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dress issue could really go either way and doesn&#8217;t really bother me. For me, it&#8217;s earlier in Act Two when Tosca makes her entrance. Before her entrance, Tosca is singing the cantata offstage. Scarpia is distracted by this music and closes the window to continue with Mario&#8217;s interrogation. Tosca makes her entrance literally seconds after this window is closed. I&#8217;ve always wondered how she could get up to Scarpia&#8217;s apartment so soon. Technically, the cantata&#8217;s not even finished at the point Scarpia closes the window. And wouldn&#8217;t she of taken some bows after finishing the cantata?</p>
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		<title>By: schweigundtanze</title>
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		<dc:creator>schweigundtanze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, you&#039;re right about Shaw&#039;s vocals. I should have clarified that I meant the interaction between the two of them. Tosca, for me, centers entirely around the interactions between Tosca and Scarpia. When Scarpia is played as a crotchety old, powerful man (as Shaw portrayed him), I have no problem with him barking his way through the role. Since the Scarpia part isn&#039;t very lyrical or memorable anyway, I find it detracts nothing while adding to his character. Were we talking about some other baritone role, I would have no interest in Shaw. In any event, I find the chemistry between him and Marton to be fantastic and riveting. That may just be my tastes, however, since (as I mentioned in my earlier post) I can also look past that DVD having the absolute WORST Mario I&#039;ve ever heard in my life. For me Tosca is all Act 2 or nothing, I suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, you&#8217;re right about Shaw&#8217;s vocals. I should have clarified that I meant the interaction between the two of them. Tosca, for me, centers entirely around the interactions between Tosca and Scarpia. When Scarpia is played as a crotchety old, powerful man (as Shaw portrayed him), I have no problem with him barking his way through the role. Since the Scarpia part isn&#8217;t very lyrical or memorable anyway, I find it detracts nothing while adding to his character. Were we talking about some other baritone role, I would have no interest in Shaw. In any event, I find the chemistry between him and Marton to be fantastic and riveting. That may just be my tastes, however, since (as I mentioned in my earlier post) I can also look past that DVD having the absolute WORST Mario I&#8217;ve ever heard in my life. For me Tosca is all Act 2 or nothing, I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: kashania</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2009/12/20/toscas-dress/comment-page-3/#comment-111320</link>
		<dc:creator>kashania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think in the paralell universe thread, someone said that Urmana was singing the revival in 10-11.</description>
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		<title>By: fidelio101</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2009/12/20/toscas-dress/comment-page-3/#comment-111317</link>
		<dc:creator>fidelio101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone notice in the HD broadcast that Mattilla had a beautiful French Manicure? Had Korea invaded Rome prior to Napoleon?</description>
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		<title>By: CruzSF</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2009/12/20/toscas-dress/comment-page-3/#comment-111286</link>
		<dc:creator>CruzSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has there been any word or rumor as to who&#039;ll play Tosca next fall?</description>
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		<title>By: Reggiani</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2009/12/20/toscas-dress/comment-page-3/#comment-111284</link>
		<dc:creator>Reggiani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the new production as well as, or better than, any I have seen.  I like the starkness and coldness of it, especially Act 2.  The costume change has always made sense to me...the lady is dressed for traveling.  I assume that the dangling puppet was a malfunction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the new production as well as, or better than, any I have seen.  I like the starkness and coldness of it, especially Act 2.  The costume change has always made sense to me&#8230;the lady is dressed for traveling.  I assume that the dangling puppet was a malfunction.</p>
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		<title>By: MontyNostry</title>
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		<dc:creator>MontyNostry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tosca is such an effective opera that I have never been bothered by these legitimate points of logic. Just goes to show how the music not only helps suspend one&#039;s disbelief but can also do sleight of hand with the dramaturgy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tosca is such an effective opera that I have never been bothered by these legitimate points of logic. Just goes to show how the music not only helps suspend one&#8217;s disbelief but can also do sleight of hand with the dramaturgy.</p>
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		<title>By: casualoperafan</title>
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		<dc:creator>casualoperafan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is the least problem of his lame-%%s production

of course it could be either way

first how about assenble three leads who can sing it

then make a good production for 90% of the actually important stuff

then after all that worry about changing dresses or not. Of course if they did the rest no one would be splitting hairs about a costume change!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is the least problem of his lame-%%s production</p>
<p>of course it could be either way</p>
<p>first how about assenble three leads who can sing it</p>
<p>then make a good production for 90% of the actually important stuff</p>
<p>then after all that worry about changing dresses or not. Of course if they did the rest no one would be splitting hairs about a costume change!</p>
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		<title>By: Lucky Pierre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucky Pierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also, when mario is finally executed, i think it&#039;d been a good choice to have him shout or groan.  i mean, if someone is shot dead, wouldn&#039;t they make a sound?  they always stage his death silently.  and it&#039;d add more to tosca&#039;s &quot;ecco un artista&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also, when mario is finally executed, i think it&#8217;d been a good choice to have him shout or groan.  i mean, if someone is shot dead, wouldn&#8217;t they make a sound?  they always stage his death silently.  and it&#8217;d add more to tosca&#8217;s &#8220;ecco un artista&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: La Cieca</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Cieca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant, ya know.</description>
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		<title>By: kashania</title>
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		<dc:creator>kashania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Under the rug??</description>
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		<title>By: chaka</title>
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		<dc:creator>chaka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to see TOSCA staged like the movie THE WIFE, THE THIEF, THE COOK, AND HIS LOVER, in which the costumes change every time the actors enter a new room, even if it&#039;s in the same scene.

It woudl be far more interesting than the singing I&#039;ve been hearing lately at the MET.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to see TOSCA staged like the movie THE WIFE, THE THIEF, THE COOK, AND HIS LOVER, in which the costumes change every time the actors enter a new room, even if it&#8217;s in the same scene.</p>
<p>It woudl be far more interesting than the singing I&#8217;ve been hearing lately at the MET.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comically also I remember from that video: How John Shaw tries to rape and mount Tosca on the crouch. I giggled.....like &#039;imagining a  old arthritic horse thinking it is a dog .then having the horse (mimicking the dog in ts mind) by trying &#039;cocking its leg&#039; up for a pee!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comically also I remember from that video: How John Shaw tries to rape and mount Tosca on the crouch. I giggled&#8230;..like &#8216;imagining a  old arthritic horse thinking it is a dog .then having the horse (mimicking the dog in ts mind) by trying &#8216;cocking its leg&#8217; up for a pee!</p>
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		<title>By: The Vicar of John Wakefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Vicar of John Wakefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Shaw formed part of the great line of Commonwealth Scarpias from John Brownlee through today&#039;s John Avey.</description>
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		<title>By: iltenoredigrazia</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tebaldi was my first Tosca and she changed costumes for the last act.   I&#039;ve since seen many Toscas change and many Toscas keep their Act 2 gown but without the jewels.  According to photographs, Callas changed earlier in her career but kept the same gown in the Zeffirelli London production.

I&#039;m usually bothered by the change in costume mainly because of the incident in Act 2 where Scarpia tells Tosca that she has no time to get the queen to intercede.   That - and the drums - always give me the feeling that the execution is imminent, or at least must appear as such to Tosca.   Going home to change doesn&#039;t quite agree with Tosca&#039;s state of hysteria that I would expect.

Now the timeline by La Cieca tells me that indeed Tosca does have time to go home and collect her things.   Actually, it makes sense that she would go home not only to change but to collect her things, arrange for a carriage, etc.

So I guess either way can be justified by the opera&#039;s libretto.   What happens in the Sardou play is interesting and illuminating but I&#039;d rather have the opera stick to its libretto.   For example, I wonder why or how Tosca knows about Angelotti&#039;s hideaway.   Mario knows it&#039;s not smart to let Tosca see or know about Angelotti in Act 1.   Why would he trust her with that information?   Instead, I would have my Tosca say &quot;Nel pozzo nel giardino&quot; not as a revelation but as a question or guess.   (I don&#039;t know where he is.  Try the well, that would be my guess.  Just stop torturing Mario.)  Cavaradossi did say earlier that she doesn&#039;t know anything, why not take that as the truth?   And her asking for his consent to talk doesn&#039;t necessarily mean that she knows where Angelotti is but that she knows the place and can help them in their search.

That&#039;s the appeal of Tosca.   Seemingly a straight and simple plot line but one that allows every soprano to make something special out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tebaldi was my first Tosca and she changed costumes for the last act.   I&#8217;ve since seen many Toscas change and many Toscas keep their Act 2 gown but without the jewels.  According to photographs, Callas changed earlier in her career but kept the same gown in the Zeffirelli London production.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m usually bothered by the change in costume mainly because of the incident in Act 2 where Scarpia tells Tosca that she has no time to get the queen to intercede.   That &#8211; and the drums &#8211; always give me the feeling that the execution is imminent, or at least must appear as such to Tosca.   Going home to change doesn&#8217;t quite agree with Tosca&#8217;s state of hysteria that I would expect.</p>
<p>Now the timeline by La Cieca tells me that indeed Tosca does have time to go home and collect her things.   Actually, it makes sense that she would go home not only to change but to collect her things, arrange for a carriage, etc.</p>
<p>So I guess either way can be justified by the opera&#8217;s libretto.   What happens in the Sardou play is interesting and illuminating but I&#8217;d rather have the opera stick to its libretto.   For example, I wonder why or how Tosca knows about Angelotti&#8217;s hideaway.   Mario knows it&#8217;s not smart to let Tosca see or know about Angelotti in Act 1.   Why would he trust her with that information?   Instead, I would have my Tosca say &#8220;Nel pozzo nel giardino&#8221; not as a revelation but as a question or guess.   (I don&#8217;t know where he is.  Try the well, that would be my guess.  Just stop torturing Mario.)  Cavaradossi did say earlier that she doesn&#8217;t know anything, why not take that as the truth?   And her asking for his consent to talk doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that she knows where Angelotti is but that she knows the place and can help them in their search.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the appeal of Tosca.   Seemingly a straight and simple plot line but one that allows every soprano to make something special out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: kashania</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marton IS fabulous in that Opera Australia &lt;I&gt;Tosca&lt;/i&gt; but I don&#039;t recall John Shaw being anything more than competent.</description>
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		<title>By: No Expert</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Expert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps Tosca should have spent that extra time burying the body.</description>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>schweigundtanze; Surely you are joking about that Marton /Furlan/Shaw Tosca (the Australian video). &quot;Marton and Shaw fantastic&quot;...Marton perhaps yes, Shaw certainly NOT (tried to desperately model himself on Gobbi, but failed miserably)  ..... and the tenor. let&#039;s just forget him ! 

The unprofessional Shaw, during that video:  clearly tried to set out, to out-sing Marton and came off a bad second ...or third  best. There is special tension between the Tosca and Scarpia there- alright, but it is because of Shaw&#039;s upstaging stage antics.....not the &#039;natural development of the 2 characters in an opera called Tosca.
I admit the sets were fabulous, totally real life-like , and enormous. Used for some 25 years....and seeing them later (without that old balling -cow Shaw, I might add) set out on a vast much larger stage...........wow!
If anyone wants undeniable proof of the above-mentioned  friction, just watch the curtain call of that video! ...Shaw the prick goes over to kiss Marton&#039;s hand, ...and with a angry &#039;sharp as daggers&#039; look, gladly Marton glares and pulls her hand out of his. Shaw was what you would call &#039;a provincial hack&#039; who stayed around with undue influence to benefit himself, for far too long.
Even today speaking to people that performed closely with him back in the 50&#039;s, he was notorious for all sorts of back stabbing antics, behind the scenes.
Then he went to Covent Garden and reputedly tried more of the same caper.... before returning to Australia. &#039; Being totally over -rated ..he was a case for a disdainful comment whenever he was listed to appear.....of &#039;Ah! HIM, again!&#039; 

Are you listening Vicar of Wakefield? Shaw is after all, one of your glorified &#039;to be mentioned &amp; remembered&#039; singers. Don&#039;t put yourself down Vicar, lease!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>schweigundtanze; Surely you are joking about that Marton /Furlan/Shaw Tosca (the Australian video). &#8220;Marton and Shaw fantastic&#8221;&#8230;Marton perhaps yes, Shaw certainly NOT (tried to desperately model himself on Gobbi, but failed miserably)  &#8230;.. and the tenor. let&#8217;s just forget him ! </p>
<p>The unprofessional Shaw, during that video:  clearly tried to set out, to out-sing Marton and came off a bad second &#8230;or third  best. There is special tension between the Tosca and Scarpia there- alright, but it is because of Shaw&#8217;s upstaging stage antics&#8230;..not the &#8216;natural development of the 2 characters in an opera called Tosca.<br />
I admit the sets were fabulous, totally real life-like , and enormous. Used for some 25 years&#8230;.and seeing them later (without that old balling -cow Shaw, I might add) set out on a vast much larger stage&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..wow!<br />
If anyone wants undeniable proof of the above-mentioned  friction, just watch the curtain call of that video! &#8230;Shaw the prick goes over to kiss Marton&#8217;s hand, &#8230;and with a angry &#8216;sharp as daggers&#8217; look, gladly Marton glares and pulls her hand out of his. Shaw was what you would call &#8216;a provincial hack&#8217; who stayed around with undue influence to benefit himself, for far too long.<br />
Even today speaking to people that performed closely with him back in the 50&#8242;s, he was notorious for all sorts of back stabbing antics, behind the scenes.<br />
Then he went to Covent Garden and reputedly tried more of the same caper&#8230;. before returning to Australia. &#8216; Being totally over -rated ..he was a case for a disdainful comment whenever he was listed to appear&#8230;..of &#8216;Ah! HIM, again!&#8217; </p>
<p>Are you listening Vicar of Wakefield? Shaw is after all, one of your glorified &#8216;to be mentioned &amp; remembered&#8217; singers. Don&#8217;t put yourself down Vicar, lease!</p>
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		<title>By: Krunoslav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krunoslav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>8.1 &quot;Tosca still knows nothing of Angelotti, so she is gay and brilliant&quot;

http://media.tmsmail.us/pop_tms_sfopera/Tosca2009.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>8.1 &#8220;Tosca still knows nothing of Angelotti, so she is gay and brilliant&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: RDaggle</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Also Tosca herself was not really all that sympathetic  (snip)  and I really didn’t care that much for the dilemma she found herself in.&lt;/i&gt;

I totally agree, having only seen the PBS broadcast. 

The characters seemed caricatures: the ditzy Actress, the kinky Cop, the weaselly Henchman, the airhead Tenor (hmm, that last one...)

When Tosca is fretting just as Mario faces the firing squad, she says something like &quot;I know it&#039;s a farce ...&quot; It struck me that was the basis for this staging. And the production was built out from that idea - a farce.

Not to say that this version was played for laughs, but that it was presented more as a black comedy than a thrilling melodrama.

Or maybe it was just my mood at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Also Tosca herself was not really all that sympathetic  (snip)  and I really didn’t care that much for the dilemma she found herself in.</i></p>
<p>I totally agree, having only seen the PBS broadcast. </p>
<p>The characters seemed caricatures: the ditzy Actress, the kinky Cop, the weaselly Henchman, the airhead Tenor (hmm, that last one&#8230;)</p>
<p>When Tosca is fretting just as Mario faces the firing squad, she says something like &#8220;I know it&#8217;s a farce &#8230;&#8221; It struck me that was the basis for this staging. And the production was built out from that idea &#8211; a farce.</p>
<p>Not to say that this version was played for laughs, but that it was presented more as a black comedy than a thrilling melodrama.</p>
<p>Or maybe it was just my mood at the time.</p>
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