Comments on: Postcard from Brabant

By: kashania

kashania — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:23:02 +0000

The more pertinent question is whether a production of Boheme should strive to shock…

By: rogwood

rogwood — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:18:59 +0000

When was the last time the Zeffirelli Boheme shocked anyone?

By: scifisci

scifisci — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:47:58 +0000

Don’t you love when people comment so decisively on voices they obviously have not heard. Kind of like when people think anna netrebko has a small voice.

By: ellerveira

ellerveira — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:35:02 +0000

How marvelously refreshing it would be these days to see an opera staged as it was in the early 1900s. Classical presentation. Traditional. That really would be shocking.

By: Will

Will — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:05:27 +0000

I realize that our reactions are inevitably subjective, but I cannot see Vogt as having a voice that is wan and certainly not small. At the MET he sounded glorious–I was delighted to have seen his debut, join in in the tremendous audience welcome, and observe the enthusiastic congratulations of his colleagues during the calls. He had all the volume he needed for the big moments, and the exquisite control to float a melting “Heil dir, Elsa” in act 2.

By: Will

Will — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:56:24 +0000

Thank you, Rapt. I know gay romance (and what inevitably comes of it) is hot–but the Hindenburg!

By: Byrnham Woode

Byrnham Woode — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:20:55 +0000

It’s great that people are finally recognizing that the relationship between Lohengrin and Elsa is “fraught”, and that she isn’t a “boob” or ninny for opening her mouth. She doesn’t ask questions for the reason Ortrud does, but that doesn’t mean she isn’t right to question the situation.

Elsa used to be lumped together with other so-called “boobs” like Gilda. And she’s not a dolt either. But that’s another opera…

The problem with LOHENGRIN is that it is a far darker and more complex “myth” than it appears at first glance. Not only are we right to support Elsa’s questioning of an unknown marriage partner, but at the same time Lohengrin really does stand as a metaphor for the artist in society and his difficulty gaining acceptance (see MEISTERSINGER or PALESTRINA). wagner of course felt this problem keenly. When considering this aspect of the symbolism remember that Elsa becomes the stand-in for society, just as the other minstrels were in TANNHäSER (same dilemma again).

I won’t go on. Wagner’s early masterpieces paved the way for what he accomplished in the works of genius that start with TRISTAN and proceed through PARSIFAL. And they are almost always about the artist in society and questioning authority.

By: rapt

rapt — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:16:02 +0000

Off Topic Warning: Will, I don’t know if you’re a fiction-lover, but for me the best imaginable story on the Catholic-school-no-questions-please pedagogical approach is Jim Shepard’s story “Eustace”–a real heart-breaker–to be found in his collections Batting Against Castro and Love And Hydrogen (the title story of the latter being about how gay romance blew up the Hindenburg).

By: Graciella Scusi

Graciella Scusi — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:28:34 +0000

No boobs, but in the COSI trailer, Hanno Muller-Brachmann way up there in the Barihunk sweepstakes.

By: MontyNostry

MontyNostry — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:06:07 +0000

Bit too much going on there and you can hear the sound of points being hammered home. Schuster sounds exciting, but — though I know some people love him — Vogt just sounds silly to me. Wan little voice.

By: rogwood

rogwood — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:23:45 +0000

BTW, here is a proper video trailer of the production:
http://www.staatsoper-berlin.org/de_DE/news_audiovideo
(Don’t miss the Domingo Boccanegra trailer, which also has some good singing both from said Youn and Georghiu challenger Anja Harteros)

By: squirrel

squirrel — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:58:00 +0000

Kwangchul Youn was terrific in Tristan here last year!

By: Straussmonster

Straussmonster — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:49:45 +0000

I agree; even in his lunatic Forza that really didn’t work all in all (the mostly naked children with KRIEG and KUNST painted on them, everyone in the opera costumed as a double of another character, the setting variously looking like the outside of the Staatsoper or an insane asylum), there was a certain affection for the piece that showed through in the best-staged scenes, and the feeling that sincerely he was trying to stage it in a way to say something more than a straight presentation would. With this Lohengrin and the Rosenkavalier video, there’s a strong sense of using the visual luxuriance in an expressive way. I wonder what he would do with FrOSch.

By: rogwood

rogwood — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:46:05 +0000

IMHO, the performance of this production on Nov. 8 that I saw was not only a huge musical delight. While I agree with Straussmonster above that Mr. Herheim may need an editor now and then, to me the production is well conceived and makes sense, and is an inspired comment on the traditionalist vs. regie theater view on opera staging. It was also very well acted and sung by (almost) everybody. Special mention must go to Kwangchul Youn as König Heinrich. The orchestra and chorus were brilliant under Barenboim’s inspired and dynamic conducting. All in all, I have not experienced as impressive a Lohengrin since Konwitschny’s “Class room” Lohengrin in Hamburg. And, yes, the Eden reference with tree growing and apples on stage is also made by Herheim.

By: squirrel

squirrel — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:40:38 +0000

I think what seems most appealing about Herheim (though I’ve not seen the production) is that it manages to be a postmodern framing, while retaining the romanticism and fantasy that Wagner intended for the piece. There seems to be something loving and sincere beneath the mirth and camp of his presentation, unlike other directors who inflect their work with these same themes, ie: Schlingensief or Konwitschny (the latter being the far more laudable of the two)

By: squirrel

squirrel — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:29:49 +0000

perhaps!
you forgot to mention the brass tit plates!

By: Gualtier M

Gualtier M — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:28:57 +0000

I agree about Elsa asking the fatal question. The whole premise of “Lohengrin” is a fantasy anyway. You could never marry anyone as “anonymous” or “Held von Brabant” in the Catholic church at that time or any other time. Really it has overtones of Eve and the apple in the Garden of Eden.

The whole center of a marriage is self-revelation, sharing yourself. Elsa is being asked to have anonymous sex on her wedding night! I am shocked, SHOCKED!!! Imagine doing someone who you just met and don’t know (I don’t have to imagine…)!!!!

By: Harry

Harry — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:46:12 +0000

Will
Wagner sets Elsa an impossible task: How can a woman love a person she knows nothing about? A fella that gets out of a swan limousine just at the right moment and says ‘trust me’? Marries her, then seemingly has a registered ‘one night stand’. Perhaps Lohengrin was really a medieval politician . The type that if they do not get their way, pick up their traps and move on to other more gullible people?

By: Will

Will — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:43:26 +0000

squirrel, what’s so marvelous about the antique image of Lohengrin in his boat is that the Catholic knight sent directly from God has a little Roman deity, Eros (Cupid) as a bow ornament. Wonderful little mixed signal!

By: Harry

Harry — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:28:30 +0000

That costume for Lohengrin reminds me of a big framed print I once had, depicting Lohengrin. It was strange, he had a swan style helmet shaped lie a serpent and generally the overall feel of the print was ‘a fusion of Wagnerism and the mad depths that Germany then subsequently descended to. It captured a disturbing feel of evil madness. I was glad when one day, the picture fell, the glass broke and ripped the print. It finished in the garbage where I felt, it belonged anyway.

By: Will

Will — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:04:55 +0000

Yes, it is a perfect costume for the director’s concept because it fixes Lohengrin in the bygone world of artifice and illusionistic theater.

It has been interesting to see the transformation in the way Elsa has been presented in the last half century. Her questioning is no longer seen as a weakness, a pathetic inability to just shut up, do as she’s told and accept. I encountered the same attitude in Catholic school in the 1950s, at one point in the classroom being told to stop asking questions. We were supposed simply to listen to the nun at the front of the classroom, memorize everything that was said, and repeat it like parrots on the tests and exams. When Elsa refuses to do that, she grows up and becomes a woman.

By: javier

javier — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:18:09 +0000

great costume.

By: squirrel

squirrel — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:08:42 +0000

i heart
http://www.richard-wagner-postkarten.de/postkarten/loh.php
and
http://archives.metoperafamily.org/Imgs/CampaniniLohengrin.jpg

By: Often admonished

Often admonished — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:04:49 +0000

Bullseye… the photo looks just like Ludwig II would have liked Lohengrin to look.

By: Straussmonster

Straussmonster — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:00:46 +0000

I stand by my assertion that Herheim has a lot of ideas and skill but needs a ruthless editor.