Comments on: Another sloe-eyed vamp

CruzSF commented

CruzSF — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:30:16 +0000

If the Vicar could tell us why such-and-such British singer were appropriate to a role or as a replacement for whosit, then I’d find him less annoying. But since all he does is drop a name and run, I presume he is just milking his joke with no interest in informing or discussing. BORING. That’s just MO.

CruzSF commented

CruzSF — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:25:56 +0000

A Boy and His Diva (misfiled in the archives under “I am divine! I am oblivion!”) makes for interesting reading. It almost feels like a series on queer opera history could be revived. Man, those were the days!

Cocky Kurwenal commented

Cocky Kurwenal — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:54:26 +0000

Surely, Vicar, Ann Murray, being Irish, is also an unworthy replacement for Felicity Palmer?

The Vicar of John Wakefield commented

The Vicar of John Wakefield — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:43:12 +0000

Coster is a fine London girl who ( alongside Veasey, Johnson, Guy and Finnie) stands among the finest Ebolis of the postwar period.

Baritenor commented

Baritenor — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:36:55 +0000

Janet Coster, on the other hand…ick.

Baritenor commented

Baritenor — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:36:12 +0000

Confession time: I actually know and enjoy the work of many of the singers the Vicar keeps promoting. I got into opera through a love of Gilbert and Sullivan (well, Musical Theater, then Gilbert and Sullivan, then Opera), so the first opera singers I knew were British G&S singers like Gillian Knight or Donald Adams, or British singers who, though primarily opera singers, recorded plenty of G&S, like Elizabeth Harwood, Della Jones and Monica Sinclair (both of whom I happen to love). So while the Vicar can get annoying, I see where he’s coming from.

Oh, and by the way, figaroindy, Gillian Knight never recorded Ruth for the D’Oyly Carte (she did record Little Buttercup, The Duchess of Plaza Toro, The Fairy Queen, Lady Jane and Dame Hannah for them), but there is a DVD of her Ruth from BBC television (with Peter Allen, of all people, as the Pirate King.)

Harry commented

Harry — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:31:54 +0000

Richard; I also believe that the character of Bobby in Company was based on a real life personal friend of Sondheim. A chap who was an airline steward actually called Bobby B…..!
Jeepers , have I spat chips- when I have seen productions of it (by its direction) , that ‘pulled punches’ trying to avoid the obvious why Bobbie’s ‘not getting married’.

MontyNostry commented

MontyNostry — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:55:08 +0000

This diva looks like that diva … Yvonne de Carlo and Catherine Zeta Jones.

The Vicar of John Wakefield commented

The Vicar of John Wakefield — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:44:42 +0000

!0. Stuff and nonsense. “Della Jones Sings Donizetti” shows her to be the finest exponent of this sort of thing since Our Own Janet Coster.

Sanford commented

Sanford — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:32:01 +0000

The production from the Papermill Playhouse was supposed to transfer to Broadway a while back but never did. I saw it in a little dinner theater in Des Plains, Ill back when it first went on tour, with, I think, Alexis Smith. That was where I also saw King And I with Patricia Morrison, and Mame with Jane Russell. I was such a gay little boy.

richard commented

richard — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:20:02 +0000

I think I heard D’Carlo claim that Sondheim
wrote the lyrics for “I’m Still Here” based on D’Carlo’s career ups and downs. She certainly
started as a “sloe eyed vamp” and I don’t know if she ever played a mother but after doing the Munsters by 1970 was sure “camp”

I saw the original Broadway Follies production but was pretty clueless about WTF was going on with the show. I was too young and I didn’t get it at all . I don’t remember much, mostly how great Alexis Smith still looked.

Since then I “got” the idea and saw 4 other productions of it. My favorite was the very elaborate Mackintosh production in London which I saw two years in a row.

Sanford commented

Sanford — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:20:11 +0000

Yes, figaroindy, that is the next line.

kashania commented

kashania — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:07:33 +0000

JJ: I wonder what has made the production “breathtaking to tasteless to endearingly camp” — the different people in charge of staging revivals? The context? Or JJ’s own personal response?

kashania commented

kashania — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:05:48 +0000

I know very little of Della Jones but the bits of her that I heard from the recording of Alcina were just lovely.

figaroindy commented

figaroindy — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:05:45 +0000

And La Cieca’s obviously category A, also!

figaroindy commented

figaroindy — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:05:18 +0000

(Actually, I know she wasn’t – don’t jump on me – I believe she did do one or more of the D’Oyly Carte revival recordings, though.)

figaroindy commented

figaroindy — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:04:29 +0000

Funny – you can tell the category A) opera-slash-broadway mavens in here from the category B) pure-opera ones!

Yes, it’s Yvonne DeCarlo – and the reason is because the headline (and the tags) is/are a quote from the lyrics of Stephen Sondheim’s “Follies” – from the song Yvonne made famous, “I’m Still Here.”

“First, you’re another sloe-eyed vamp, then someone’s mother, then you’re camp….then you career from career to career…” I THINK the next line is “I’m almost through my memoirs, but I’m here” but I can’t remember for sure.

Which is why #4 Baritenor said “you left out someone’s mother.” He’s category A.

Meanwhile, Vicar – isn’t Gillian Knight dead? I swear she was in the original cast of Pirates of Penzance as Ruth, wasn’t she?

Harry commented

Harry — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:00:06 +0000

Gee Vicar(6#)…you have outdone yourself , this time….mentioning Della Jones -the wobbling squawker for all ages. Just how many recordings he has wrecked with her ‘contributions’. The opera Beatrice Cenci is just one example. Do you want more?

Harry commented

Harry — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:53:21 +0000

La Cieca; Lovely Yvonne D’Carlo!..One of the first matinee’ I attended as a kid… was seeing her in Slave Girl with lots of foreign legionnaires. All I remember is some clown turning up a flame brazer in a tent of all things, trying to make her talk. (Perhaps they had fire proof tents!) I once talked to a guy that said he slept in ‘her bed’…..What he then explained and was meaning : he slept in the same hotel room …and the hotel bed, she had vacated the previous day.

Harry commented

Harry — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:40:10 +0000

ellerviera(2#): An ‘Aztec’ Turandot…. ? The ideal cast that could have been…..Well I am first to think of casting Yma Sumac as Liu. What a sensational performance we would have had.