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		<title>MontyNostry commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>MontyNostry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cruz (#89) - I agree with you about Boheme. It has some lovely moments, but overall ... so what?</description>
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		<title>CruzSF commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>CruzSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>squirrel, I&#039;ll have to take another look/listen to Boheme. I&#039;ve seen it live once, and listened to it quite a few times, but I&#039;ve yet to &quot;get&quot; it. It&#039;s an enjoyable evening of music, has some gorgeous arias, but it all seems rather small-stakes to me. I don&#039;t know why. I prefer that other consumption opera (I know have 3 recordings of it), although I know I shouldn&#039;t compare them.

In Boheme&#039;s favor, where I&#039;m concerned, is that I once didn&#039;t care for Tosca. But after seeing it this summer, I&#039;ve listened to it perhaps 30 times, and love it. Even after coming around to loving it, I hated the opening of Act III. But the more I listen to it, the more I hear the mastery in Puccini&#039;s craft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>squirrel, I&#8217;ll have to take another look/listen to Boheme. I&#8217;ve seen it live once, and listened to it quite a few times, but I&#8217;ve yet to &#8220;get&#8221; it. It&#8217;s an enjoyable evening of music, has some gorgeous arias, but it all seems rather small-stakes to me. I don&#8217;t know why. I prefer that other consumption opera (I know have 3 recordings of it), although I know I shouldn&#8217;t compare them.</p>
<p>In Boheme&#8217;s favor, where I&#8217;m concerned, is that I once didn&#8217;t care for Tosca. But after seeing it this summer, I&#8217;ve listened to it perhaps 30 times, and love it. Even after coming around to loving it, I hated the opening of Act III. But the more I listen to it, the more I hear the mastery in Puccini&#8217;s craft.</p>
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		<title>squirrel commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>squirrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cruz
thank you for a very interesting report!
if only we could have such a revealing nuts-and-bolts opera directing discussion in New York City! Maybe one day...

It&#039;s true, now that I think of it, that Boheme does sort of stage itself, if the director is wise enough to listen to the music. It does not surprise me that anyone would choose Strauss as their favorite or most rewarding composer. It is music that has been extraordinarily wrought from a dramatic perspective, and text that has been carefully measured for musicality, in almost every case. Strauss is the best (disclosure: Crazed Strauss Lover here!) and never disappoints.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cruz<br />
thank you for a very interesting report!<br />
if only we could have such a revealing nuts-and-bolts opera directing discussion in New York City! Maybe one day&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true, now that I think of it, that Boheme does sort of stage itself, if the director is wise enough to listen to the music. It does not surprise me that anyone would choose Strauss as their favorite or most rewarding composer. It is music that has been extraordinarily wrought from a dramatic perspective, and text that has been carefully measured for musicality, in almost every case. Strauss is the best (disclosure: Crazed Strauss Lover here!) and never disappoints.</p>
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		<title>CruzSF commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>CruzSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I attended a class tonight given by the SF Opera, the last of a series of classes about the various aspects of staging opera. Tonight, the guest was a director who has staged productions of Don Pasquale (Deutsches Nationaltheater Weimar) and Der Rosenkavalier (Danish National Opera). One of the things he said that I found interesting is that he and many other directors like challenges, and so he would rather stage a “Lucia” (which he found problematic) than a “Boheme” (which he says is a perfect opera). For him, everything about Boheme is composed, every movement and everything the singer needs to do has music composed for it. In this case, if directors just follow the score and stay out of the way, you’ll end up with a great opera. 
Re: Lucia, he finds many parts that don’t communicate to the audience what is happening or what has happened, or doesn’t allow enough time for things to have happened before we’re told about them (and there were other “problems” he named). The music, he didn’t have any problem with, but the dramaturgy (his word) was often confusing. The challenge in finding a workable (for him) staging would lead him to accept a directing gig for it, even though he doesn’t now “love” it.
This didn’t surprise me, once he answered the question (I raised), because two weeks earlier, when 3 musicians from the SFO orchestra were the panelists, someone from the class asked them to name their favorite composer. Unanimously, they said Richard Strauss. (A gasp went round the room.) “Why?” was the follow-up question. Answer: Because it’s challenging, and when you master it, you have a sense of real accomplishment. One of the musicians, a horn player, also listed Puccini (even though he can find himself sitting for 45 minutes during a Puccini opera with nothing to do) because the music is so beautiful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended a class tonight given by the SF Opera, the last of a series of classes about the various aspects of staging opera. Tonight, the guest was a director who has staged productions of Don Pasquale (Deutsches Nationaltheater Weimar) and Der Rosenkavalier (Danish National Opera). One of the things he said that I found interesting is that he and many other directors like challenges, and so he would rather stage a “Lucia” (which he found problematic) than a “Boheme” (which he says is a perfect opera). For him, everything about Boheme is composed, every movement and everything the singer needs to do has music composed for it. In this case, if directors just follow the score and stay out of the way, you’ll end up with a great opera.<br />
Re: Lucia, he finds many parts that don’t communicate to the audience what is happening or what has happened, or doesn’t allow enough time for things to have happened before we’re told about them (and there were other “problems” he named). The music, he didn’t have any problem with, but the dramaturgy (his word) was often confusing. The challenge in finding a workable (for him) staging would lead him to accept a directing gig for it, even though he doesn’t now “love” it.<br />
This didn’t surprise me, once he answered the question (I raised), because two weeks earlier, when 3 musicians from the SFO orchestra were the panelists, someone from the class asked them to name their favorite composer. Unanimously, they said Richard Strauss. (A gasp went round the room.) “Why?” was the follow-up question. Answer: Because it’s challenging, and when you master it, you have a sense of real accomplishment. One of the musicians, a horn player, also listed Puccini (even though he can find himself sitting for 45 minutes during a Puccini opera with nothing to do) because the music is so beautiful.</p>
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		<title>squirrel commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>squirrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright then, good points all around. I know that Bondy and Chereau certainly know their way around the opera repertoire and you are right to point out that they are indeed the middle specimen. (That does not mean that they AREN&#039;T black-turtlenecked dilettantes, however. I have begun to wonder if Luc Bondy isn&#039;t one of those guys who made a whole career of dilettantism. Admit it, there ARE THOSE!)

Through all of these very interesting discussions, I find myself no longer caring really about whether the details of an opera are carried forth in the way the composer might have imagined it, and being really much more frustrated- by the absence of Personenregie and the ineptitude with which supposed &quot;theater-people&quot; fail to help the singers find a believable performance within their own skin (perhaps not just believable in a diagetic way, but believable all around, as an expression of SOME IDEA). If we meld these worlds of theater and opera, then the opera should be learning something from these wizards who were nursed on Brecht and Pantomime and Stanislavsky and god knows what else. Where is all that wisdom???

We can safely all agree (?) that Regieoper must not become Set and Lighting Designer Opera. Because then the singers will turn it back into Opera Queen Opera.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright then, good points all around. I know that Bondy and Chereau certainly know their way around the opera repertoire and you are right to point out that they are indeed the middle specimen. (That does not mean that they AREN&#8217;T black-turtlenecked dilettantes, however. I have begun to wonder if Luc Bondy isn&#8217;t one of those guys who made a whole career of dilettantism. Admit it, there ARE THOSE!)</p>
<p>Through all of these very interesting discussions, I find myself no longer caring really about whether the details of an opera are carried forth in the way the composer might have imagined it, and being really much more frustrated- by the absence of Personenregie and the ineptitude with which supposed &#8220;theater-people&#8221; fail to help the singers find a believable performance within their own skin (perhaps not just believable in a diagetic way, but believable all around, as an expression of SOME IDEA). If we meld these worlds of theater and opera, then the opera should be learning something from these wizards who were nursed on Brecht and Pantomime and Stanislavsky and god knows what else. Where is all that wisdom???</p>
<p>We can safely all agree (?) that Regieoper must not become Set and Lighting Designer Opera. Because then the singers will turn it back into Opera Queen Opera.</p>
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		<title>Hans Lick commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hans Lick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 04:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>blush blush blush blush blush blush blush blush
-- on behalf of JY, who never does.

And on behalf of Alex Ross, he made that sublime remark about the Zimmerman Sonnambula, not about the Bondy Tosca. And while I certainly wouldn&#039;t envy the job of anyone given the chance to stage Sonnambula nowadays (I&#039;m holding out for the Ring myself -- any takers? I want to do it all in 18th century dress and powdered wigs, set on the staircase of the Wurzburg Residenz), I do think Miss Z was the wrong man for the Bellini biz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blush blush blush blush blush blush blush blush<br />
&#8211; on behalf of JY, who never does.</p>
<p>And on behalf of Alex Ross, he made that sublime remark about the Zimmerman Sonnambula, not about the Bondy Tosca. And while I certainly wouldn&#8217;t envy the job of anyone given the chance to stage Sonnambula nowadays (I&#8217;m holding out for the Ring myself &#8212; any takers? I want to do it all in 18th century dress and powdered wigs, set on the staircase of the Wurzburg Residenz), I do think Miss Z was the wrong man for the Bellini biz.</p>
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		<title>La Cieca commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Cieca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 04:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>squirrel, this is a difficult question, because everyone has a different definition of &quot;knows the art form.&quot;

Some would define this term as &quot;obviously the only action possible that would coordinate with this music is the placing of two candles and a crucifix, and that&#039;s perfect because that&#039;s what the stage direction says anyway.&quot;

Others would go a lot farther afield and say, &quot;what we have here is a lot of notes and words, and their relationship is ambiguous (notes to words and even notes to notes), so let&#039;s see if there&#039;s a different possible meaning there from the one everyone just assumes.&quot;

The first &quot;type,&quot; I think you can say, will likely be the more reliable director, but the second &quot;type&quot; is a gamble, i.e., maybe you&#039;ll win back a lot more that way or maybe you&#039;ll lose it all. But they both can be said to &quot;know the art form.&quot;

There&#039;s this notion out there (not you, squirrel, but there are others) that Luc Bondy and Patrice Chereau are are some kind of black turtlenecked dilettantes who never saw an opera before and wouldn&#039;t know which end of the score goes up, and that&#039;s, like I said before, parochial. 

It&#039;s a very American sort of attitude that there is theater over &lt;I&gt;here&lt;/I&gt; and opera over &lt;i&gt;there&lt;/i&gt;.  It&#039;s certainly the case currently in New York that the opera audience is not a theater audience and vice versa, but this is not true elsewhere in the world, and it wasn&#039;t even always true here. What caused this schism in America between opera and theater I don&#039;t really know, but it&#039;s neither necessary nor, in my opinion, healthy. 

Or, short answer: yes, there is a middle ground of directors who are conversant with opera and yet not ghettoized into the opera house, and it&#039;s with members of this group that I think Peter Gelb is trying to build his new productions. Which is not to say that I think this &quot;trying&quot; is always successful; it&#039;s not. But at the same time it&#039;s not the Goetterdaemmerung the pearl-clutchers are shrieking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>squirrel, this is a difficult question, because everyone has a different definition of &#8220;knows the art form.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some would define this term as &#8220;obviously the only action possible that would coordinate with this music is the placing of two candles and a crucifix, and that&#8217;s perfect because that&#8217;s what the stage direction says anyway.&#8221;</p>
<p>Others would go a lot farther afield and say, &#8220;what we have here is a lot of notes and words, and their relationship is ambiguous (notes to words and even notes to notes), so let&#8217;s see if there&#8217;s a different possible meaning there from the one everyone just assumes.&#8221;</p>
<p>The first &#8220;type,&#8221; I think you can say, will likely be the more reliable director, but the second &#8220;type&#8221; is a gamble, i.e., maybe you&#8217;ll win back a lot more that way or maybe you&#8217;ll lose it all. But they both can be said to &#8220;know the art form.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s this notion out there (not you, squirrel, but there are others) that Luc Bondy and Patrice Chereau are are some kind of black turtlenecked dilettantes who never saw an opera before and wouldn&#8217;t know which end of the score goes up, and that&#8217;s, like I said before, parochial. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a very American sort of attitude that there is theater over <i>here</i> and opera over <i>there</i>.  It&#8217;s certainly the case currently in New York that the opera audience is not a theater audience and vice versa, but this is not true elsewhere in the world, and it wasn&#8217;t even always true here. What caused this schism in America between opera and theater I don&#8217;t really know, but it&#8217;s neither necessary nor, in my opinion, healthy. </p>
<p>Or, short answer: yes, there is a middle ground of directors who are conversant with opera and yet not ghettoized into the opera house, and it&#8217;s with members of this group that I think Peter Gelb is trying to build his new productions. Which is not to say that I think this &#8220;trying&#8221; is always successful; it&#8217;s not. But at the same time it&#8217;s not the Goetterdaemmerung the pearl-clutchers are shrieking about.</p>
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		<title>operadent commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>operadent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 04:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Yohalem&#039;s review says it all. It&#039;s brilliant!</description>
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		<title>CruzSF commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>CruzSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 04:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hans, please tell John that I very much enjoyed his Tosca review. It was well-reasoned and explained his support or lack thereof (depending on the specific topic of discussion) with evidence. I&#039;m only sorry that this is the first piece of his that I&#039;ve read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hans, please tell John that I very much enjoyed his Tosca review. It was well-reasoned and explained his support or lack thereof (depending on the specific topic of discussion) with evidence. I&#8217;m only sorry that this is the first piece of his that I&#8217;ve read.</p>
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		<title>squirrel commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>squirrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 04:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok sure, I see your point. What is the midway point between Luc Bondy and an Opera Queen? Someone not completely beholden to operatic tradition and cliche, but also someone who knows the art form?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok sure, I see your point. What is the midway point between Luc Bondy and an Opera Queen? Someone not completely beholden to operatic tradition and cliche, but also someone who knows the art form?</p>
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		<title>Gualtier M commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gualtier M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another view from La C&#039;s former publication, Gay City News:

http://www.gaycitynews.com/articles/2009/10/02/gay_city_news/arts/music/doc4ac633bebae46171263476.txt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another view from La C&#8217;s former publication, Gay City News:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gaycitynews.com/articles/2009/10/02/gay_city_news/arts/music/doc4ac633bebae46171263476.txt" rel="nofollow">http://www.gaycitynews.com/articles/2009/10/02/gay_city_news/arts/music/doc4ac633bebae46171263476.txt</a></p>
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		<title>La Cieca commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Cieca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;I’m going with Alex Ross’s recommendation&lt;/i&gt; [etc. etc.]

I yield to no one in my admiration of Alex Ross, which is second only to my admiration of the Yohalem. But this statement borders on being parochial nonsense. 

No, I don&#039;t think you have to love the material you&#039;re working with so long as you are engaged by it.  Those are two very different things. In fact, the problem with love is that it tends to gloss over flaws and so can&#039;t be sufficiently critical. The director who blindly loves opera and just adores &lt;I&gt;Tosca&lt;/i&gt; warts and all may well be content with doing the same old same old, because, after all, it&#039;s &lt;I&gt;Tosca&lt;/i&gt;, and who am I to tamper with my beloved &lt;I&gt;Tosca&lt;/i&gt;&#039;s perfection? So long as the soprano ends up groveling on the floor at some point during &quot;Vissi d&#039;arte,&quot; the audience is going to roar, so why bother?

Very often people who collaborate the most successfully are those whose relationship is adversarial, in a friendly, collegial way, perhaps, but taut with the tension drawn between very different viewpoints. So why can&#039;t we imagine a similarly adversarial relationship between director and material?

Our JJ directed &lt;I&gt;Tosca&lt;/i&gt; once and found it a very problematic work, much more difficult to do in an honest way than, say, &lt;I&gt;Traviata&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;I&gt;Butterfly&lt;/i&gt;, and in no league of comparison with &lt;I&gt;Don Giovanni&lt;/I&gt; or some of the bel canto works, which practically stage themselves. Now, that&#039;s just JJ, but he&#039;s probably in the minority here of having at least attempted to solve some of the problems of this (yes) problematic work, so, well, maybe he has some glimmer of the problems facing a Luc Bondy who is trying (not, admittedly, in many ways, successfully) to make interesting theater out of an uneven text.

But to say, &quot;well, first, we must weed out anyone who&#039;s not an opera queen, and then X out the names of anyone without Tosca fanboy credentials&quot; -- that, I think, is the reason opera is in such a sorry state here in the US (and, yes, a lot of other places too). Art that&#039;s strictly by fans, for fans may be swathed in all sorts of sincerity, but that doesn&#039;t prevent it from coming off like quaint kitsch to the non-initiate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m going with Alex Ross’s recommendation</i> [etc. etc.]</p>
<p>I yield to no one in my admiration of Alex Ross, which is second only to my admiration of the Yohalem. But this statement borders on being parochial nonsense. </p>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t think you have to love the material you&#8217;re working with so long as you are engaged by it.  Those are two very different things. In fact, the problem with love is that it tends to gloss over flaws and so can&#8217;t be sufficiently critical. The director who blindly loves opera and just adores <i>Tosca</i> warts and all may well be content with doing the same old same old, because, after all, it&#8217;s <i>Tosca</i>, and who am I to tamper with my beloved <i>Tosca</i>&#8217;s perfection? So long as the soprano ends up groveling on the floor at some point during &#8220;Vissi d&#8217;arte,&#8221; the audience is going to roar, so why bother?</p>
<p>Very often people who collaborate the most successfully are those whose relationship is adversarial, in a friendly, collegial way, perhaps, but taut with the tension drawn between very different viewpoints. So why can&#8217;t we imagine a similarly adversarial relationship between director and material?</p>
<p>Our JJ directed <i>Tosca</i> once and found it a very problematic work, much more difficult to do in an honest way than, say, <i>Traviata</i> or <i>Butterfly</i>, and in no league of comparison with <i>Don Giovanni</i> or some of the bel canto works, which practically stage themselves. Now, that&#8217;s just JJ, but he&#8217;s probably in the minority here of having at least attempted to solve some of the problems of this (yes) problematic work, so, well, maybe he has some glimmer of the problems facing a Luc Bondy who is trying (not, admittedly, in many ways, successfully) to make interesting theater out of an uneven text.</p>
<p>But to say, &#8220;well, first, we must weed out anyone who&#8217;s not an opera queen, and then X out the names of anyone without Tosca fanboy credentials&#8221; &#8212; that, I think, is the reason opera is in such a sorry state here in the US (and, yes, a lot of other places too). Art that&#8217;s strictly by fans, for fans may be swathed in all sorts of sincerity, but that doesn&#8217;t prevent it from coming off like quaint kitsch to the non-initiate.</p>
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		<title>Hans Lick commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hans Lick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@77 Valzacchi:
Thanks much for the kind comments!
and
HL:JY as LaC:JJ
but
zitto, zitto, piano, piano, nessun conosce!</description>
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Thanks much for the kind comments!<br />
and<br />
HL:JY as LaC:JJ<br />
but<br />
zitto, zitto, piano, piano, nessun conosce!</p>
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		<title>Valzacchi commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valzacchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#75 Hans Lick:  Thanks for the link to John Yohalem&#039;s brilliant, incisive, (dare I say &quot;penetrating&quot;?) analysis of the Luc Bondy Tosca in Opera Today.  Any aspiring opera critic should read this as a model of how to do it. I admire in particular his point that here Puccini has fashioned a finely-tuned mechanism both musically and dramatically - (yes, Mr. Bondy, Puccini didn&#039;t just write tunes, he was a consummate dramatist too) and that you mess with that mechanism at your peril. One peripheral question, though, Hans: why did you float this piece on your blog without attribution, as if it were yours?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#75 Hans Lick:  Thanks for the link to John Yohalem&#8217;s brilliant, incisive, (dare I say &#8220;penetrating&#8221;?) analysis of the Luc Bondy Tosca in Opera Today.  Any aspiring opera critic should read this as a model of how to do it. I admire in particular his point that here Puccini has fashioned a finely-tuned mechanism both musically and dramatically &#8211; (yes, Mr. Bondy, Puccini didn&#8217;t just write tunes, he was a consummate dramatist too) and that you mess with that mechanism at your peril. One peripheral question, though, Hans: why did you float this piece on your blog without attribution, as if it were yours?</p>
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		<title>Regina delle fate commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regina delle fate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harding conducted the Chéreau Cosi in Aix with the Mahler CHamber Orchestra (with which he has a long-standing relationship). When the production moved to Paris, it was with the Opéra orchestra and he complained it was not up to his exalted standards and resigned. Then he thought better of it and said he would after all agree to conduct despite the quality of the orchestra, and then the orchestra threatened to go on strike if he was reinstated, so Mortier had to find another conductor. That&#039;s what I heard from someone who works at the Opéra, anyway. I saw it in Aix - it was a disappointing production and very moderately sung (apart from Elina Garanca&#039;s Dorabella).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harding conducted the Chéreau Cosi in Aix with the Mahler CHamber Orchestra (with which he has a long-standing relationship). When the production moved to Paris, it was with the Opéra orchestra and he complained it was not up to his exalted standards and resigned. Then he thought better of it and said he would after all agree to conduct despite the quality of the orchestra, and then the orchestra threatened to go on strike if he was reinstated, so Mortier had to find another conductor. That&#8217;s what I heard from someone who works at the Opéra, anyway. I saw it in Aix &#8211; it was a disappointing production and very moderately sung (apart from Elina Garanca&#8217;s Dorabella).</p>
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		<title>Hans Lick commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hans Lick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 05:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem for me is that Bondy&#039;s alterations did not make the characters more human, just more preposterous. Their story no longer made sense. Is this an improvement? I&#039;d say not. That his production was also hideous to look at and will be difficult (impossible?) for other sopranos to inhabit does not underline its utility to the Met. 

(For the rest, http://www.operatoday.com/content/2009/10/tosca_at_the_me.php )

I&#039;m going with Alex Ross&#039;s recommendation: The Met should ask a director if s/he &lt;i&gt;likes&lt;/i&gt; opera, and if s/he likes &lt;i&gt;this&lt;/i&gt; opera, and if the answer is No, should move further down the Rolodex. And Mr. Bondy plainly does not like Tosca or (I&#039;d argue) understand it. Sentimentality (I hope) has nothing to do with it. Sentiment, possibly. 

(I wasn&#039;t crazy about that Hercules, supra, either.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem for me is that Bondy&#8217;s alterations did not make the characters more human, just more preposterous. Their story no longer made sense. Is this an improvement? I&#8217;d say not. That his production was also hideous to look at and will be difficult (impossible?) for other sopranos to inhabit does not underline its utility to the Met. </p>
<p>(For the rest, <a href="http://www.operatoday.com/content/2009/10/tosca_at_the_me.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.operatoday.com/content/2009/10/tosca_at_the_me.php</a> )</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going with Alex Ross&#8217;s recommendation: The Met should ask a director if s/he <i>likes</i> opera, and if s/he likes <i>this</i> opera, and if the answer is No, should move further down the Rolodex. And Mr. Bondy plainly does not like Tosca or (I&#8217;d argue) understand it. Sentimentality (I hope) has nothing to do with it. Sentiment, possibly. </p>
<p>(I wasn&#8217;t crazy about that Hercules, supra, either.)</p>
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		<title>CruzSF commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>CruzSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just saw David Lomeli in &lt;i&gt;Gianni Schicci&lt;/i&gt;, as Rinuccio. He was good, if at times overwhelmed by the orchestra. I suspect he&#039;ll get stronger with maturity. His acting was slight, mostly stood around looking good in his white pants. But he&#039;s young and still in the opera training program at SFO. I&#039;m sure he&#039;ll develop in all areas. I&#039;ve no doubt he will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just saw David Lomeli in <i>Gianni Schicci</i>, as Rinuccio. He was good, if at times overwhelmed by the orchestra. I suspect he&#8217;ll get stronger with maturity. His acting was slight, mostly stood around looking good in his white pants. But he&#8217;s young and still in the opera training program at SFO. I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;ll develop in all areas. I&#8217;ve no doubt he will.</p>
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		<title>MontyNostry commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>MontyNostry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@59 &amp; 72 -- I saw Guèze at Operalia a couple of years ago, and he was superb in Gounod (Polyeucte) and Halévy (La Juive -- far too heavy for him, but still thrilling). He came second, but got the audience prize. The first prizewinner among the men was David Lomeli, not in the same class, but -- by coincidence in a competition founded by Domingo -- a young Mexican on the young singers&#039; programme in Los Angeles ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@59 &amp; 72 &#8212; I saw Guèze at Operalia a couple of years ago, and he was superb in Gounod (Polyeucte) and Halévy (La Juive &#8212; far too heavy for him, but still thrilling). He came second, but got the audience prize. The first prizewinner among the men was David Lomeli, not in the same class, but &#8212; by coincidence in a competition founded by Domingo &#8212; a young Mexican on the young singers&#8217; programme in Los Angeles &#8230;</p>
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		<title>Freniac commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 59 

I heard Guèze sing Romeó in a concert performance at the Amsterdam Concertgebouw, and he was quite spectacular. He has a lovely voice that sounds especially good in his native tongue...</description>
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<p>I heard Guèze sing Romeó in a concert performance at the Amsterdam Concertgebouw, and he was quite spectacular. He has a lovely voice that sounds especially good in his native tongue&#8230;</p>
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		<title>squirrel commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>squirrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cute loge reference!</description>
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