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Monty Nostry:
Gobbi was a wonderful actor, but a better musician and singer. And I happen to LOVE the sound of his (dry) voice and especially how he uses it. For me he was the greatest Jago, Falstaff and Scarpia–saw them all in person.
This “only a great actor” thing (charge) is similar to what I used to hear about Callas–as if acting was their only asset.
It’s fine that you don’t like or “get” Gobbi. Can’t love everyone.
P.S. I was also a big Warren fan (not so much on recordings)–the two greatest baritones (Italian repertoire) I have ever seen. And Taddei was great too!
browser,
Not all Italianate baritones have to be from Italy…
I heard Terfel sing the Te Deum at last year’s Tucker Gala and it was all ring. Now, he clearly didn’t want to be there that day, but he still sounded as meanicing as Gobbi ever did.
Also, Christopher Maltman (this year’s Pappageno and last year’s Silvio at the Met) is another masky, dark, aggressive baritone that can put some evil behind his sound and be great in this role eventually, as he was great as Tarquinius.
Also, I forget his name, but whoever covered Alfio last year at the Met had a great Italianate sound. He was also the Tonio in the Pag, and was very creepy.
Lastly, Furlanetto is a bass, but he could have sung Scarpia when he was younger, and when I saw him in Ernani was by far the biggest voice on stage (with Hampson, Radvanovsky, and Giordani).
Clita: Now, Warren is **much** more to my taste as a voice! Sometimes it ‘yawns’ a bit (Milnes, maybe a bit of a Warren imitator did that too), but I find that big, warm sound very moving. And I think George London must have been glorious live. (I know he’s more bass-baritone than pure baritone, but we are talking Scarpias, so I thought I’d drop him in.)
George has a smallish sound which he uses well. He was okay with the Philharmonic. He’s not particularly good on stage, so the match up with Mattila will be… interesting.
22 Maltman as Scarpia?????? Is this the Vicar posting under a new name?
Perhaps with Rebecca Bottone and Ed Lyon as Tosca and Cavaradossi, staged with string quartet in Wigmore Hall.
As non Italian Scarpias go, Bacquier was one of my favorites. Not a glam voice, but a suberb singing actor who could be rough and elegant at the same time, and even in his late prime had plenty of volume for the Met.
Monty: YES, London was a wonderful Scarpia–with Callas, 1956 at the Met!
Maltman? Are you SURE?!
No Italianate baritones don’t have to be from Italy (hence the term ItalianATE); but to suggest that Maltman could even exist in the same league as Zancanaro or Bastianini…
And for those talking about bass-baritones singing Scarpia…the problem is that it goes up very quickly, and down very quickly!
25: LOL.