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		<title>By: Mark Moseley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Moseley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 03:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t seen John in years, but the performances I have seen were flawless. Knowing Villars, I would say there were tensions before the event. It takes some doing to get him angered to this point. I would say there is much more to the situation. Villars is very professional. I know him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t seen John in years, but the performances I have seen were flawless. Knowing Villars, I would say there were tensions before the event. It takes some doing to get him angered to this point. I would say there is much more to the situation. Villars is very professional. I know him.</p>
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		<title>By: harry</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2009/01/23/it-takes-a-villars/comment-page-10/#comment-45622</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is funny that the discussion here is about a &#039;crisis&#039; towards the end of Fidelio.
Go back 20 years, I remember an first night incident where the Leonore and Florestan together , glanced at each other, then decided to take the music one way and the conductor another. Comes curtain call, the &#039;fuck wit&#039; conductor finally appears on stage, went to have sharp words with the soprano, but was blocked by the tenor who threatened to knock him into the orchestra pit. The singers were well known.
Another time this stupid conductor was doing Andre Chenier. He dragged out the 1st Act to a snail pace - 36 minutes. His pacing and execcution of the complex opening chords of Act 3 were a absolute mess. Later the same night this conductor was observed at the &#039;social&#039; afterward, (quietly snooping and listening) / &#039;overhearing&#039; a former opera singer go through the faults, one by one..Guess what? The conductor quietly called another rehearsal before the next performance, due 5 days later. All the &#039;problems mow corrected....even Act 1 down to 29 minutes....that&#039;s a full 20 per cent, faster. There are some clots / baton beaters around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is funny that the discussion here is about a &#8216;crisis&#8217; towards the end of Fidelio.<br />
Go back 20 years, I remember an first night incident where the Leonore and Florestan together , glanced at each other, then decided to take the music one way and the conductor another. Comes curtain call, the &#8216;fuck wit&#8217; conductor finally appears on stage, went to have sharp words with the soprano, but was blocked by the tenor who threatened to knock him into the orchestra pit. The singers were well known.<br />
Another time this stupid conductor was doing Andre Chenier. He dragged out the 1st Act to a snail pace &#8211; 36 minutes. His pacing and execcution of the complex opening chords of Act 3 were a absolute mess. Later the same night this conductor was observed at the &#8216;social&#8217; afterward, (quietly snooping and listening) / &#8216;overhearing&#8217; a former opera singer go through the faults, one by one..Guess what? The conductor quietly called another rehearsal before the next performance, due 5 days later. All the &#8216;problems mow corrected&#8230;.even Act 1 down to 29 minutes&#8230;.that&#8217;s a full 20 per cent, faster. There are some clots / baton beaters around.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was there.  It was a bizarre moment, with that kraut shouting like an idiot from the pit.  (Richard Bradshaw was famous for this too, but at least he stopped the rehearsal to yell at singers).  

The scope from backstage was that Mr. Villars in a previous rehearsal told the conductor he was unable to take that particular point in the music at the fast tempo the conductor wished for.  The conductor subsequently took it even faster at the final dress. 

For the record, I heard a wonderful Bacchus from Mr. Villars in Paris in 2002.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was there.  It was a bizarre moment, with that kraut shouting like an idiot from the pit.  (Richard Bradshaw was famous for this too, but at least he stopped the rehearsal to yell at singers).  </p>
<p>The scope from backstage was that Mr. Villars in a previous rehearsal told the conductor he was unable to take that particular point in the music at the fast tempo the conductor wished for.  The conductor subsequently took it even faster at the final dress. </p>
<p>For the record, I heard a wonderful Bacchus from Mr. Villars in Paris in 2002.</p>
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		<title>By: leontyneschiava</title>
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		<dc:creator>leontyneschiava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BIG....yes he is....burly leather queen may be a stretch.</description>
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		<title>By: Ortrud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ortrud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T1, THANK YOU for catching my mistake. Robert Dean Smith was the Florestan in the Seville 07 Fidelio. He was very impressive!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T1, THANK YOU for catching my mistake. Robert Dean Smith was the Florestan in the Seville 07 Fidelio. He was very impressive!</p>
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		<title>By: wotan_in_inman</title>
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		<dc:creator>wotan_in_inman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re #74 . . . &quot;Is there any other . . .&quot;  Yes, I think one could safely say politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #74 . . . &#8220;Is there any other . . .&#8221;  Yes, I think one could safely say politics.</p>
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		<title>By: harry</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps he was not fond of the way, Florestan was bound &#039;in bondage&#039; in this production???!!! After all there is a right way and a wrong way... for some people. It can pot some people off their game.



#  86. On January 26, 2009 at 10:36 am, balabanov11 muttered:

re:21 = and one could assume the Villars is using his own costumes in this production, as I understand he is a big burly leather queen.</description>
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<p>#  86. On January 26, 2009 at 10:36 am, balabanov11 muttered:</p>
<p>re:21 = and one could assume the Villars is using his own costumes in this production, as I understand he is a big burly leather queen.</p>
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		<title>By: trappole</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>78 - Leontyneschiava - Spill, Miss Thing! Spill!  LOL</description>
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		<title>By: balabanov11</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re:21 = and one could assume the Villars is using his own costumes in this production, as I understand he is a big burly leather queen.</description>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Villars story in barebones form was reported in today&#039;s NY Times

I have seen and heard Brandon Jovanovich three times in performance: 1) in Jonathan Dove&#039;s Flight in Boston (where he had a hook up with another male character that I wished hadn&#039;t been mostly off-stage); in Richard Rodney Bennett&#039;s The Mines of Sulphur (where he played a hot, violent hunk); and as Turridu at NYCO, doing pretty well, I thought.  

He&#039;s a tall, good looking man, with a nicely sized medium weight tenor, excellent acting skills, and a lot of presence.  He will definitely not have the same physique du role that we are familiar with in the iconic Grimes of Jon Vickers or of current, excellent Grimes, Anthony Dean Griffey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Villars story in barebones form was reported in today&#8217;s NY Times</p>
<p>I have seen and heard Brandon Jovanovich three times in performance: 1) in Jonathan Dove&#8217;s Flight in Boston (where he had a hook up with another male character that I wished hadn&#8217;t been mostly off-stage); in Richard Rodney Bennett&#8217;s The Mines of Sulphur (where he played a hot, violent hunk); and as Turridu at NYCO, doing pretty well, I thought.  </p>
<p>He&#8217;s a tall, good looking man, with a nicely sized medium weight tenor, excellent acting skills, and a lot of presence.  He will definitely not have the same physique du role that we are familiar with in the iconic Grimes of Jon Vickers or of current, excellent Grimes, Anthony Dean Griffey.</p>
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		<title>By: T1</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ortrud---were there two productions of &quot;Fidelio&quot; in Seville?
In 2007, Robert Dean Smith sang Florestan there, not Griffey.  RDS indeed sang the role of Florestan very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ortrud&#8212;were there two productions of &#8220;Fidelio&#8221; in Seville?<br />
In 2007, Robert Dean Smith sang Florestan there, not Griffey.  RDS indeed sang the role of Florestan very well.</p>
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		<title>By: albatrossity</title>
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		<dc:creator>albatrossity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to comment # 82, sometimes we get locked into a certain look and age for certain roles, when neither has really been indicated by the libretto. As long as the ages and looks are believable in the plot, why not go for something different? Old people have sex lives, people fall in love with fat people, an old witch can be timelessly beautiful and the town drunk can be a young man.
 Sometimes a certain look becomes a tradition because it was defined that way by a particular artist and people come to expect it. If the portrayl is honest and well executed, the audience is usually very accepting of such changes. It&#039;s when the changes aren&#039;t logical with plot, and the effect the composer was trying to convey is warped beyond recognition that the audience in general feels annoyed and cheated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to comment # 82, sometimes we get locked into a certain look and age for certain roles, when neither has really been indicated by the libretto. As long as the ages and looks are believable in the plot, why not go for something different? Old people have sex lives, people fall in love with fat people, an old witch can be timelessly beautiful and the town drunk can be a young man.<br />
 Sometimes a certain look becomes a tradition because it was defined that way by a particular artist and people come to expect it. If the portrayl is honest and well executed, the audience is usually very accepting of such changes. It&#8217;s when the changes aren&#8217;t logical with plot, and the effect the composer was trying to convey is warped beyond recognition that the audience in general feels annoyed and cheated.</p>
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		<title>By: Willym</title>
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		<dc:creator>Willym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slightly off topic but it concerns a tenor so...
Going to see Peter Grimes at San Carlo on Friday with a young American tenor Brandon Jovanovvich singing the Peter.  I&#039;m not familiar with him.  Any thoughts or opinions?  

Also looking at pictures he seems a bit young - and I might add too good looking - for the role.  But that could give the opera with so many levels, one more dimension.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slightly off topic but it concerns a tenor so&#8230;<br />
Going to see Peter Grimes at San Carlo on Friday with a young American tenor Brandon Jovanovvich singing the Peter.  I&#8217;m not familiar with him.  Any thoughts or opinions?  </p>
<p>Also looking at pictures he seems a bit young &#8211; and I might add too good looking &#8211; for the role.  But that could give the opera with so many levels, one more dimension.</p>
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		<title>By: harry</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Feldmarschallin  (Commnet 76) for clearing up that point about Jon Fredrick West.</description>
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		<title>By: harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim Comment 75...adding to your comments about Bjorling,rhe fact that I mentioned the year of recording &#039;Ballo&#039; one year out (as 1961) is neither here nor there. From recording to its release can be a far duration. I believe that Decca faced a  real crisis with Bjorling. It has been stated that he was found in his hotel absolutely depressed as well as &#039;wildly blotto&#039;. If someone is &#039;a professional&#039;, you deliver your contractual commitments. Bjorling was not fit to do the recording. I am sure that whatever Solti&#039;s opinions may have been,they would not be the ONLY opinion that the Decca producers used to come to the final decision to remove Bjorling from the recording. Decca had a another &#039;drop -out&#039; situation with Di Stefano from their Mefistofele (Tebaldi) recording. Whatever the cause, I do not know. Decca completed their Mefistofele with Del Monaco. Many years later, all of Di Stefano&#039;s previous recorded contributions to the project were released by Decca on separate CD release.. Does anyone know the facts behind that Decca &#039;Mefistofele -Di Stefano saga&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim Comment 75&#8230;adding to your comments about Bjorling,rhe fact that I mentioned the year of recording &#8216;Ballo&#8217; one year out (as 1961) is neither here nor there. From recording to its release can be a far duration. I believe that Decca faced a  real crisis with Bjorling. It has been stated that he was found in his hotel absolutely depressed as well as &#8216;wildly blotto&#8217;. If someone is &#8216;a professional&#8217;, you deliver your contractual commitments. Bjorling was not fit to do the recording. I am sure that whatever Solti&#8217;s opinions may have been,they would not be the ONLY opinion that the Decca producers used to come to the final decision to remove Bjorling from the recording. Decca had a another &#8216;drop -out&#8217; situation with Di Stefano from their Mefistofele (Tebaldi) recording. Whatever the cause, I do not know. Decca completed their Mefistofele with Del Monaco. Many years later, all of Di Stefano&#8217;s previous recorded contributions to the project were released by Decca on separate CD release.. Does anyone know the facts behind that Decca &#8216;Mefistofele -Di Stefano saga&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: Ortrud</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Florestan, although notoriously difficult like Leonore, is VERY short. The tenor doesnâ€™t even come on until the second act, and then only sings one aria, a short duet, and an ensemble. It has resulted in many tenor disasters though which can be excruciating to sit through, either as fellow cast member or member of the audience.&quot;

Actually, there is a bit more to the role than just an aria, short duet and ensemble. There is in addition the trio &quot;Euch werde Lohn&quot; with Leonore and Rocco and the quartet &quot;Er sterbe!&quot; with the trio characters plus Pizarro. Of course, Florestan is not a long role, particularly in the helden tenor fach, but it is tiring. I&#039;ve only heard one tenor make it through the aria without losing steam or cracking - Anthony Dean Griffey was quite impressive in the role a couple of years ago in Seville.

I heard Jon Villars sing Bacchus in a concert Ariadne with the Minnesota Orchestra many years ago. Not a bad performance of a difficult role, although I agree with the assessment that the middle and lower voice are produced oddly. I was wondering what had happened to him, hadn&#039;t heard or seen much of him in the last few years. I&#039;m sorry that he felt the need to flip the bird while performing the role of Florestan. Beethoven&#039;s Fidelio deserves more respect and that kind of behavior is uncalled for. If there is an issue, discuss the matter afterwards with the conductor and act like an adult. Respect the music, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Florestan, although notoriously difficult like Leonore, is VERY short. The tenor doesnâ€™t even come on until the second act, and then only sings one aria, a short duet, and an ensemble. It has resulted in many tenor disasters though which can be excruciating to sit through, either as fellow cast member or member of the audience.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, there is a bit more to the role than just an aria, short duet and ensemble. There is in addition the trio &#8220;Euch werde Lohn&#8221; with Leonore and Rocco and the quartet &#8220;Er sterbe!&#8221; with the trio characters plus Pizarro. Of course, Florestan is not a long role, particularly in the helden tenor fach, but it is tiring. I&#8217;ve only heard one tenor make it through the aria without losing steam or cracking &#8211; Anthony Dean Griffey was quite impressive in the role a couple of years ago in Seville.</p>
<p>I heard Jon Villars sing Bacchus in a concert Ariadne with the Minnesota Orchestra many years ago. Not a bad performance of a difficult role, although I agree with the assessment that the middle and lower voice are produced oddly. I was wondering what had happened to him, hadn&#8217;t heard or seen much of him in the last few years. I&#8217;m sorry that he felt the need to flip the bird while performing the role of Florestan. Beethoven&#8217;s Fidelio deserves more respect and that kind of behavior is uncalled for. If there is an issue, discuss the matter afterwards with the conductor and act like an adult. Respect the music, please.</p>
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		<title>By: leontyneschiava</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 03:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon was my roomate in college.....oh the stories I could tell!!!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: albatrossity</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do I think of Oren? I think he&#039;s a pig. Conductors can be pigs too, with total disregard for the music, the singers or anything that is happening on stage. I agree that a conductor cannot do a singer&#039;s job, but sometimes a conductor prevents a singer from doing their job. That is when singer star power can have its advantage. Unfortunately singer star power can wreak havok when the the conductor is the one who knows what he is doing. The one with the most talent should have the final say. Now who is going to decide that? That is when the general director is supposed to step in, but that requires real knowledge and musical sensibilities on the part of the general manager. How many general managers can really do that today?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do I think of Oren? I think he&#8217;s a pig. Conductors can be pigs too, with total disregard for the music, the singers or anything that is happening on stage. I agree that a conductor cannot do a singer&#8217;s job, but sometimes a conductor prevents a singer from doing their job. That is when singer star power can have its advantage. Unfortunately singer star power can wreak havok when the the conductor is the one who knows what he is doing. The one with the most talent should have the final say. Now who is going to decide that? That is when the general director is supposed to step in, but that requires real knowledge and musical sensibilities on the part of the general manager. How many general managers can really do that today?</p>
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		<title>By: Feldmarschallin</title>
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		<description>Villars didn&#039;t sing the Tristan opposite Meier. That was Jon Frederick West. He is even worse than Villars.</description>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry (#66): Aside from the fact that Jussi died in 1960 I refer you to Cornell McNiel&#039;s account of the recording in Farkas&#039; biography &quot;Jussi&quot; in which he states that JB showed up for rehearsal on time and in shape anxious to do the recording. My point is very simply that Herr Solti when presented the opportunity to record Ballo with the preeminent Riccardo of his generation should have had the wisdom and humility to make allowances for a singer who admitedly could be difficult. In other words, in the persuit of art it&#039;s ok to take a little shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry (#66): Aside from the fact that Jussi died in 1960 I refer you to Cornell McNiel&#8217;s account of the recording in Farkas&#8217; biography &#8220;Jussi&#8221; in which he states that JB showed up for rehearsal on time and in shape anxious to do the recording. My point is very simply that Herr Solti when presented the opportunity to record Ballo with the preeminent Riccardo of his generation should have had the wisdom and humility to make allowances for a singer who admitedly could be difficult. In other words, in the persuit of art it&#8217;s ok to take a little shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Cassandra</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2009/01/23/it-takes-a-villars/comment-page-8/#comment-45200</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;One big problem here is that atavism the â€œpublic dress rehearsal,â€ which generally means an extra performance that the singers grudgingly do for free, pressured to sing full voice.&quot;

This is absolutely true.  This also applies to concert work where you&#039;ll have the final dress rehearsal on the MORNING OF the performance with an audience in attendance.  Imagine being expected by management of an orchestra to sing a Verdi Requiem at 11 am in full voice, and then REPEAT it again that night.  That&#039;s just the tip of the iceberg.  Conductors are generally more understanding about this predicament, but not always.

I&#039;ll add that while I think the ultimate arrival of the final product is most hopefully an even exchange between artistic equals (meaning the conductor and singer), this frequently does NOT happen, and I will ALWAYS err on being on the side of the singer because the singer is the one on the stage having to make a nearly impossible job look easy.

Conductors CAN&#039;T do our job, can I can fairly guarantee we would be able to do theirs.

This is a point frequently forgotten in the industry. Those people a singer is surrounded with during the rehearsal and performance process, and I mean everyone, from costume designer, to stage manager, to general director, to pit musician, to critic, and on and on and on would NEVER be able to do the job that we do on the stage.  As in, it would be physically impossible for them to do.  It feels very bizarre to be surrounded by people telling you what to do when they themselves could never do it.  Is there any other industry quite like this where you have those who could never perform the tasks required attempting to demand things from those who can? 

There is a point when you&#039;ve been around long enough where you learn as a singer to listen to very few people.  You learn to live in a protective bubble that very little penetrates, and with good reason.  I personally allow maybe three people per gig to be part of the process for me, and one of those generally includes my manager who is my outside set of ears and my complaint box, so you can imagine that a conductor, a director, a coach, and many others who just love to be heard are going to have to have a very good reason to be heard by me. 

As a singer, you learn to edit quickly and efficiently in order to survive.  Sometimes this process runs into problems when a singer&#039;s physical apparatus no longer works.  Unfortunately, this is what sounds like is happening to Jon, and when the singer&#039;s &quot;bubble&quot; is burst, things can go awry.

I&#039;m not saying the singer is always correct, so don&#039;t jump all over me about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One big problem here is that atavism the â€œpublic dress rehearsal,â€ which generally means an extra performance that the singers grudgingly do for free, pressured to sing full voice.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is absolutely true.  This also applies to concert work where you&#8217;ll have the final dress rehearsal on the MORNING OF the performance with an audience in attendance.  Imagine being expected by management of an orchestra to sing a Verdi Requiem at 11 am in full voice, and then REPEAT it again that night.  That&#8217;s just the tip of the iceberg.  Conductors are generally more understanding about this predicament, but not always.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll add that while I think the ultimate arrival of the final product is most hopefully an even exchange between artistic equals (meaning the conductor and singer), this frequently does NOT happen, and I will ALWAYS err on being on the side of the singer because the singer is the one on the stage having to make a nearly impossible job look easy.</p>
<p>Conductors CAN&#8217;T do our job, can I can fairly guarantee we would be able to do theirs.</p>
<p>This is a point frequently forgotten in the industry. Those people a singer is surrounded with during the rehearsal and performance process, and I mean everyone, from costume designer, to stage manager, to general director, to pit musician, to critic, and on and on and on would NEVER be able to do the job that we do on the stage.  As in, it would be physically impossible for them to do.  It feels very bizarre to be surrounded by people telling you what to do when they themselves could never do it.  Is there any other industry quite like this where you have those who could never perform the tasks required attempting to demand things from those who can? </p>
<p>There is a point when you&#8217;ve been around long enough where you learn as a singer to listen to very few people.  You learn to live in a protective bubble that very little penetrates, and with good reason.  I personally allow maybe three people per gig to be part of the process for me, and one of those generally includes my manager who is my outside set of ears and my complaint box, so you can imagine that a conductor, a director, a coach, and many others who just love to be heard are going to have to have a very good reason to be heard by me. </p>
<p>As a singer, you learn to edit quickly and efficiently in order to survive.  Sometimes this process runs into problems when a singer&#8217;s physical apparatus no longer works.  Unfortunately, this is what sounds like is happening to Jon, and when the singer&#8217;s &#8220;bubble&#8221; is burst, things can go awry.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying the singer is always correct, so don&#8217;t jump all over me about that.</p>
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		<title>By: La Cieca</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2009/01/23/it-takes-a-villars/comment-page-8/#comment-45197</link>
		<dc:creator>La Cieca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>turandot: I suppose you&#039;re right, but this abstract musing has led us rather far afield from the original question, which is what went wrong in the &lt;I&gt;Fidelio&lt;/i&gt;.

One big problem here is that atavism the &quot;public dress rehearsal,&quot; which generally means an extra performance that the singers grudgingly do for free, pressured to sing full voice. The conductor and stage director too are supposed to take one for the team and relinquish their prerogative of using rehearsal time to stop and work through troublesome parts of the piece. Instead, the focus is on entertaining the &quot;invited&quot; audience with the knowledge that they&#039;re about to go gossipping about the show all over town and all over the web.

On the other hand, La Cieca doesn&#039;t know the run-up to the climactic event here: it may be that Villars had been in full meltdown for a week or more, and the &quot;walkout&quot; served as a useful excuse for the opera company to can him. It remains La Cieca&#039;s opinion, though, that a walkout or firing so late in the game represents a major failure on the part of the system. The purpose of an opera company is to present opera, not excuses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>turandot: I suppose you&#8217;re right, but this abstract musing has led us rather far afield from the original question, which is what went wrong in the <i>Fidelio</i>.</p>
<p>One big problem here is that atavism the &#8220;public dress rehearsal,&#8221; which generally means an extra performance that the singers grudgingly do for free, pressured to sing full voice. The conductor and stage director too are supposed to take one for the team and relinquish their prerogative of using rehearsal time to stop and work through troublesome parts of the piece. Instead, the focus is on entertaining the &#8220;invited&#8221; audience with the knowledge that they&#8217;re about to go gossipping about the show all over town and all over the web.</p>
<p>On the other hand, La Cieca doesn&#8217;t know the run-up to the climactic event here: it may be that Villars had been in full meltdown for a week or more, and the &#8220;walkout&#8221; served as a useful excuse for the opera company to can him. It remains La Cieca&#8217;s opinion, though, that a walkout or firing so late in the game represents a major failure on the part of the system. The purpose of an opera company is to present opera, not excuses.</p>
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		<title>By: harry</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2009/01/23/it-takes-a-villars/comment-page-8/#comment-45170</link>
		<dc:creator>harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What we are in short discussing is &#039;Professionalism&#039;. The ability to get up on stage and deliver what people should expect out of an artist. Is there no such thing as pre performance &#039;consultations&#039; between singers and conductor if one or the other has concerns? Sure someone can have an &#039;off night&#039; but when they become frequent, covered up with tantrums, or a myriad of sickness excuses: it is time for them to pack the bags and leave the &#039;scene&#039; quietly and gracefully. A defiant &#039;fingers up Florestan&#039; is not exactly what Beethoven had in mind.
The funniest incident similar to the above mentioned: A day time dress rehearsal of Verdi&#039;s Otello with a audience mainly comprised  of school children &#039;getting to know Opera&#039;. Except the kids tended to chatter throughout. By the time Desdemona was &#039;strangled&#039;, they were still chattering. The soprano then rose up from her bed and called out &quot;Will you lot, fuckin&#039; shut up&quot;!!! The Opera then continued to the finish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we are in short discussing is &#8216;Professionalism&#8217;. The ability to get up on stage and deliver what people should expect out of an artist. Is there no such thing as pre performance &#8216;consultations&#8217; between singers and conductor if one or the other has concerns? Sure someone can have an &#8216;off night&#8217; but when they become frequent, covered up with tantrums, or a myriad of sickness excuses: it is time for them to pack the bags and leave the &#8216;scene&#8217; quietly and gracefully. A defiant &#8216;fingers up Florestan&#8217; is not exactly what Beethoven had in mind.<br />
The funniest incident similar to the above mentioned: A day time dress rehearsal of Verdi&#8217;s Otello with a audience mainly comprised  of school children &#8216;getting to know Opera&#8217;. Except the kids tended to chatter throughout. By the time Desdemona was &#8216;strangled&#8217;, they were still chattering. The soprano then rose up from her bed and called out &#8220;Will you lot, fuckin&#8217; shut up&#8221;!!! The Opera then continued to the finish.</p>
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		<title>By: harry</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2009/01/23/it-takes-a-villars/comment-page-8/#comment-45163</link>
		<dc:creator>harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I wrong? Was&#039;nt Villars the Tristan in that awful Tristan &amp; Isolde video with Waltraud Meier where the lovers in Act 2 sat on a sofa with yellow daisy patterns ? If so, there was no &#039;love going on&#039;....&#039;just a big unmusical conflicted shouting match&#039; between two singers. Tempos also, were all over the place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I wrong? Was&#8217;nt Villars the Tristan in that awful Tristan &amp; Isolde video with Waltraud Meier where the lovers in Act 2 sat on a sofa with yellow daisy patterns ? If so, there was no &#8216;love going on&#8217;&#8230;.&#8217;just a big unmusical conflicted shouting match&#8217; between two singers. Tempos also, were all over the place.</p>
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		<title>By: turandot</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2009/01/23/it-takes-a-villars/comment-page-7/#comment-45154</link>
		<dc:creator>turandot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 13:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>La Cieca: of course, you are right. But if it becomes a &quot;choice&quot; then I think that the singer must bow to the wish of the conductor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>La Cieca: of course, you are right. But if it becomes a &#8220;choice&#8221; then I think that the singer must bow to the wish of the conductor.</p>
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		<title>By: arepo</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2009/01/23/it-takes-a-villars/comment-page-7/#comment-45153</link>
		<dc:creator>arepo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 13:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading all of the postings on this subject of temper-tenor vs. conductor, it is clear that the two who are speaking from knowledge are, one who was actually there (Kashania), and one who knew him and his tenor antics personally (Cassandra).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading all of the postings on this subject of temper-tenor vs. conductor, it is clear that the two who are speaking from knowledge are, one who was actually there (Kashania), and one who knew him and his tenor antics personally (Cassandra).</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2009/01/23/it-takes-a-villars/comment-page-7/#comment-45148</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Willimer wrote: And Rodzinsky conducted with a loaded pistol in his pocket.

Willimer, maybe he was just happy to see you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willimer wrote: And Rodzinsky conducted with a loaded pistol in his pocket.</p>
<p>Willimer, maybe he was just happy to see you.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandryka</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2009/01/23/it-takes-a-villars/comment-page-7/#comment-45140</link>
		<dc:creator>Mandryka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any (opera) guys from Toronto around here? I will be there for one week in February. Pls contact me: fierrabras@web.de</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any (opera) guys from Toronto around here? I will be there for one week in February. Pls contact me: <a href="mailto:fierrabras@web.de">fierrabras@web.de</a></p>
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		<title>By: harry</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2009/01/23/it-takes-a-villars/comment-page-7/#comment-45139</link>
		<dc:creator>harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim(Comment #50) you wish to slam Solti the conductor over Bjorling not completing the &#039;Un Ballo In Maschera&#039; Decca recording in 1961. It is well documented that Bjorling unfortunately was in one of his &#039;rip roaring drunk&#039; periods. He died not so long after the incident. Decca had to shelve the schedule and return to re recording of it 6 months later with Carlo Bergonzi.  Was Bjorling going to compensate Decca for the wasted costs? I don&#039;t think so! Solti, like a few other conductors- waa renowned for not taking shit from singers. One singer was reputed for challenging Solti over the pattern of musical notes in a passage in Verdi&#039;s Otello during a converstaion. Solti, not having it on hand, called for a copy of the score and proved that he was correct. Solti WAS a too great conductor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim(Comment #50) you wish to slam Solti the conductor over Bjorling not completing the &#8216;Un Ballo In Maschera&#8217; Decca recording in 1961. It is well documented that Bjorling unfortunately was in one of his &#8216;rip roaring drunk&#8217; periods. He died not so long after the incident. Decca had to shelve the schedule and return to re recording of it 6 months later with Carlo Bergonzi.  Was Bjorling going to compensate Decca for the wasted costs? I don&#8217;t think so! Solti, like a few other conductors- waa renowned for not taking shit from singers. One singer was reputed for challenging Solti over the pattern of musical notes in a passage in Verdi&#8217;s Otello during a converstaion. Solti, not having it on hand, called for a copy of the score and proved that he was correct. Solti WAS a too great conductor.</p>
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		<title>By: Karnal Jones</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2009/01/23/it-takes-a-villars/comment-page-7/#comment-45127</link>
		<dc:creator>Karnal Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 05:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of recordings where you can actually hear Maestro humming away in the background(none too quietly either).
From recollection I think the best/worst example is Scotto&#039;s Butterfly - Barbarolli contributes so much to the entract to the third act, I thought it was a recording fault before I realised what it was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of recordings where you can actually hear Maestro humming away in the background(none too quietly either).<br />
From recollection I think the best/worst example is Scotto&#8217;s Butterfly &#8211; Barbarolli contributes so much to the entract to the third act, I thought it was a recording fault before I realised what it was.</p>
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