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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2008/11/07/mortierdammerung/comment-page-12/#comment-34810</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m fascinated that Gerard Mortier has morphed into a discussion on period performance. Rock on!</description>
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		<title>By: Sean Twosie</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2008/11/07/mortierdammerung/comment-page-12/#comment-34806</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Twosie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McMyster -- a 2200-seat house for the MINI-Met? Why would any company that has to fill a 3800-seat house take on such a white elephant? What the Met needs for a mini-house is something in the three-figure range -- 1000 seats is already too much. And even that would only take two or three productions per annum. 

No, the State Theater is too big for anything but GRAND opera, and it&#039;s sound is not good for grand opera. 

The reason the early NYCO was such a hit was that it was in a funky house of reasonable size for opera at a time when opera (and all theater) tickets seldom cost two digits. (The Old Met Orchestra was about $8 a seat.) You can&#039;t do it now. 

Turandot -- the Chicago Giulio Cesare was inaudble past about the first thousand seats. Handel simply can&#039;t be sung adequately in that house. I heard Partenope from up top and down below, and up top it was absurd. That too is a very grand opera house, and Handel does not work at that distance. The Chicago production of GC came from Glyndebourne, and that&#039;s about the size of it. I loved the NYCO Handels because I never went if I had to sit farther off than First Ring. That cut the number of performances I could go to down to two or three per annum, but it was worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McMyster &#8212; a 2200-seat house for the MINI-Met? Why would any company that has to fill a 3800-seat house take on such a white elephant? What the Met needs for a mini-house is something in the three-figure range &#8212; 1000 seats is already too much. And even that would only take two or three productions per annum. </p>
<p>No, the State Theater is too big for anything but GRAND opera, and it&#8217;s sound is not good for grand opera. </p>
<p>The reason the early NYCO was such a hit was that it was in a funky house of reasonable size for opera at a time when opera (and all theater) tickets seldom cost two digits. (The Old Met Orchestra was about $8 a seat.) You can&#8217;t do it now. </p>
<p>Turandot &#8212; the Chicago Giulio Cesare was inaudble past about the first thousand seats. Handel simply can&#8217;t be sung adequately in that house. I heard Partenope from up top and down below, and up top it was absurd. That too is a very grand opera house, and Handel does not work at that distance. The Chicago production of GC came from Glyndebourne, and that&#8217;s about the size of it. I loved the NYCO Handels because I never went if I had to sit farther off than First Ring. That cut the number of performances I could go to down to two or three per annum, but it was worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: CerquettiFarrell</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2008/11/07/mortierdammerung/comment-page-12/#comment-34770</link>
		<dc:creator>CerquettiFarrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the past 10-15 years have seen a radical change in period practice, now you might say that the ends meet. People like Isokoski, Orgonasova, Margiono, Delunsch would never have been considered appropriate for period bands some 20 years ago. People like Minkowski use &quot;real&quot; singers. But the scope is very different. They are not expected to project in an impossibly large hall, and can fine-tune their interpretations. Thus Donna Anna, one sung by the likes of Nilsson (with utter damage to the purity of the line), is taken nowdays by people like Orgonasova or Olga Pasichnyk, much more reasonable and in keeping with the entire company. Fleming in the Giovanni DVD from the Met, is too obviously concerned about projecting in the hall than about the music. Likewise Kringleborn, a beautiful voice ruined by trying to force the sound to suit larger halls. The list goes on and on. Very few people, like Terfel for example, have the requisite power AND still are able to communicate subtlety and intimacy in a large hall, and in Mozart.
How refreshing it is, for example, to hear d&#039;Arcangelo&#039;s voice intertwine with the winds in Leporello&#039;s catalogue aria, creating true chamber music, rarely rising avoce mezzo forte. Why not? That happens in the Gardiner recording. See the atrocious Harding production from Salzburg and voila, a totally different singer, constantly shouting to be heard above the uncontrolled VPO and trying to project in the vast Grosses Festspielhaus, where you should never, ever perform Mozart.
Only once did somebody manage to overcome the problems of the Grosses Festspielhaus in a Mozart opera. The M22 production of Cosi fan Tutte unbelivably managed to create a sense of intimacy and ensemble. BTW Ana Maria Martinez is a great, great Fiordiligi and why isnt she a Met regular?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the past 10-15 years have seen a radical change in period practice, now you might say that the ends meet. People like Isokoski, Orgonasova, Margiono, Delunsch would never have been considered appropriate for period bands some 20 years ago. People like Minkowski use &#8220;real&#8221; singers. But the scope is very different. They are not expected to project in an impossibly large hall, and can fine-tune their interpretations. Thus Donna Anna, one sung by the likes of Nilsson (with utter damage to the purity of the line), is taken nowdays by people like Orgonasova or Olga Pasichnyk, much more reasonable and in keeping with the entire company. Fleming in the Giovanni DVD from the Met, is too obviously concerned about projecting in the hall than about the music. Likewise Kringleborn, a beautiful voice ruined by trying to force the sound to suit larger halls. The list goes on and on. Very few people, like Terfel for example, have the requisite power AND still are able to communicate subtlety and intimacy in a large hall, and in Mozart.<br />
How refreshing it is, for example, to hear d&#8217;Arcangelo&#8217;s voice intertwine with the winds in Leporello&#8217;s catalogue aria, creating true chamber music, rarely rising avoce mezzo forte. Why not? That happens in the Gardiner recording. See the atrocious Harding production from Salzburg and voila, a totally different singer, constantly shouting to be heard above the uncontrolled VPO and trying to project in the vast Grosses Festspielhaus, where you should never, ever perform Mozart.<br />
Only once did somebody manage to overcome the problems of the Grosses Festspielhaus in a Mozart opera. The M22 production of Cosi fan Tutte unbelivably managed to create a sense of intimacy and ensemble. BTW Ana Maria Martinez is a great, great Fiordiligi and why isnt she a Met regular?</p>
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		<title>By: Browser</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2008/11/07/mortierdammerung/comment-page-12/#comment-34755</link>
		<dc:creator>Browser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>balabanov - actually the extreme forms of baroque styling are not as prevalent in Europe as you would think.  Majro baroque artists like Veronique Gens and Anna Maria Panzarella rae much more &#039;mainstream&#039; in their stylisations than you would think.

Another plus for London is the amount of chamber music (much of it can be heard for free in City of London churches during lunch hour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>balabanov &#8211; actually the extreme forms of baroque styling are not as prevalent in Europe as you would think.  Majro baroque artists like Veronique Gens and Anna Maria Panzarella rae much more &#8216;mainstream&#8217; in their stylisations than you would think.</p>
<p>Another plus for London is the amount of chamber music (much of it can be heard for free in City of London churches during lunch hour.</p>
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		<title>By: balabanov11</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2008/11/07/mortierdammerung/comment-page-12/#comment-34741</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole concept of &quot;period performance style&quot; is questionable anyway - early music has been plagued for years by bad, straight-toned, colorless singing, masked as &quot;period performance style&quot;, when really it&#039;s the result of this music originally being brought back by musicians and musicologists, who while being wonderful researchers, couldn&#039;t sing. Now, supposedly, all vocal quality should be stripped away when peforming vocal music up thru the baroque period - ridiculous. So spare us the &quot;Mozart should only be performed in a closet&quot; theories. It allows for way too much mediocre singing in the small european theatres that you want to tout.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole concept of &#8220;period performance style&#8221; is questionable anyway &#8211; early music has been plagued for years by bad, straight-toned, colorless singing, masked as &#8220;period performance style&#8221;, when really it&#8217;s the result of this music originally being brought back by musicians and musicologists, who while being wonderful researchers, couldn&#8217;t sing. Now, supposedly, all vocal quality should be stripped away when peforming vocal music up thru the baroque period &#8211; ridiculous. So spare us the &#8220;Mozart should only be performed in a closet&#8221; theories. It allows for way too much mediocre singing in the small european theatres that you want to tout.</p>
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		<title>By: armerjacquino</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2008/11/07/mortierdammerung/comment-page-12/#comment-34740</link>
		<dc:creator>armerjacquino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CerquettiFarrell- you&#039;re ploughing a lone furrow talking about period performance style on this blog, home of tens of &#039;Who the fuck is Emma Kirkby?&#039; posts a while back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CerquettiFarrell- you&#8217;re ploughing a lone furrow talking about period performance style on this blog, home of tens of &#8216;Who the fuck is Emma Kirkby?&#8217; posts a while back.</p>
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		<title>By: LVPO</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2008/11/07/mortierdammerung/comment-page-12/#comment-34733</link>
		<dc:creator>LVPO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HEAR HEAR!!</description>
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		<title>By: mrmyster</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2008/11/07/mortierdammerung/comment-page-12/#comment-34731</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would offer one bit of fine-tuning: New York is the *commercial* music capital of the World. Otherwise, posters here are right - Berlin, London, even Paris, far excell in musical life over New York - far, far.
But for Music Capitalism - NY! Ja ja!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would offer one bit of fine-tuning: New York is the *commercial* music capital of the World. Otherwise, posters here are right &#8211; Berlin, London, even Paris, far excell in musical life over New York &#8211; far, far.<br />
But for Music Capitalism &#8211; NY! Ja ja!</p>
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		<title>By: CerquettiFarrell</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2008/11/07/mortierdammerung/comment-page-11/#comment-34730</link>
		<dc:creator>CerquettiFarrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like the greatest (classical) music centers in the world today are Berlin (2 top class orchestras: BPO, Staatskapelle, 2 middle class: DSO, Deutsches Oper, 1 period band - Akademie fur Alte Musik, 3 Opera houses, many many concert halls) Paris (2 major opera houses, 3 fairly good orchestras, 3 top period ensembles) and London (2 operas, so many fine orchestra&#039;s you can&#039;t count them, many excellent poll musicians for period bands). New York does not seem to belong in this sphere of excellence and diversity. And yes: period performance is not just a passing trend anymore, it has been here for over forty years and is probably here to stay. Alongside traditional (as in post WWI) performance practice. This means the instruments, playing and singing methods an aesthetics AND the general scope. Yes, Mozart was not meant do be played in mammoth 2000+ auditoriums. It can be done, but performers have to be unbelievably gifted to succeed. Much easier to project and blend in a European medium-to-small sized theatres. Le nozze di Figaro at the Met is some sort of travesty. People have accepted this long ago in the old continent. The US stays adamant. Let it be so: but time is marching on, and NY is left behind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like the greatest (classical) music centers in the world today are Berlin (2 top class orchestras: BPO, Staatskapelle, 2 middle class: DSO, Deutsches Oper, 1 period band &#8211; Akademie fur Alte Musik, 3 Opera houses, many many concert halls) Paris (2 major opera houses, 3 fairly good orchestras, 3 top period ensembles) and London (2 operas, so many fine orchestra&#8217;s you can&#8217;t count them, many excellent poll musicians for period bands). New York does not seem to belong in this sphere of excellence and diversity. And yes: period performance is not just a passing trend anymore, it has been here for over forty years and is probably here to stay. Alongside traditional (as in post WWI) performance practice. This means the instruments, playing and singing methods an aesthetics AND the general scope. Yes, Mozart was not meant do be played in mammoth 2000+ auditoriums. It can be done, but performers have to be unbelievably gifted to succeed. Much easier to project and blend in a European medium-to-small sized theatres. Le nozze di Figaro at the Met is some sort of travesty. People have accepted this long ago in the old continent. The US stays adamant. Let it be so: but time is marching on, and NY is left behind.</p>
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		<title>By: kashania</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2008/11/07/mortierdammerung/comment-page-11/#comment-34729</link>
		<dc:creator>kashania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t feed the troll. If you ignore it, it will go away.

Let&#039;s agree that NYC is the musical capital of the Americas and one of the major musical capitals of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t feed the troll. If you ignore it, it will go away.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s agree that NYC is the musical capital of the Americas and one of the major musical capitals of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Cassandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cassandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Iâ€™m sure our friends in London will enjoy reading this when they wake up tomorrow morning.&quot;

Have you HEARD any of the &quot;singing&quot; going on at ENO or ROH lately?  Ghastly.  The Don Carlos and Giovanni recently put up there (beside Joyce Di Donato) were laughably bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Iâ€™m sure our friends in London will enjoy reading this when they wake up tomorrow morning.&#8221;</p>
<p>Have you HEARD any of the &#8220;singing&#8221; going on at ENO or ROH lately?  Ghastly.  The Don Carlos and Giovanni recently put up there (beside Joyce Di Donato) were laughably bad.</p>
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		<title>By: OMG</title>
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		<dc:creator>OMG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my, La Cieca has arrived for sure.  She has militant little prop 8 downers, gay basher trolls.  The excitement is too much!  Spewing defenses for widdle Renayyy of the overpaid publicist.  This online blog is read all over the world as well.
Hmmmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my, La Cieca has arrived for sure.  She has militant little prop 8 downers, gay basher trolls.  The excitement is too much!  Spewing defenses for widdle Renayyy of the overpaid publicist.  This online blog is read all over the world as well.<br />
Hmmmm.</p>
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		<title>By: Peevedattrolls</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peevedattrolls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How sad Miss Fleming&#039;s mom is fighting the good PR for her dear OLD daughter.  Miss Fleming pay you this week drearie.
She couldn&#039;t care less what is said as long as it isn&#039;t said about the real star of today&#039;s opera, Netty.

Fleming sings all over the world.  Who cares?  She sings here and she is discussed.  Got it?  Stamp that little foot at the cruelty.......ah the humanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How sad Miss Fleming&#8217;s mom is fighting the good PR for her dear OLD daughter.  Miss Fleming pay you this week drearie.<br />
She couldn&#8217;t care less what is said as long as it isn&#8217;t said about the real star of today&#8217;s opera, Netty.</p>
<p>Fleming sings all over the world.  Who cares?  She sings here and she is discussed.  Got it?  Stamp that little foot at the cruelty&#8230;&#8230;.ah the humanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Karnal Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karnal Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joethetroll- I happen to agree with you about the Rennay crap and so do a lot of others who have been driven away from the site because of it - but that aside- it&#039;s a bit pointless dissing the whole blog because it leaves you open to be asked &quot;why bother coming here at all if nothing pleases you?&quot; Clearly something must be of interest to you- and what &quot;cause&quot; are you talking about specifically? Would love to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joethetroll- I happen to agree with you about the Rennay crap and so do a lot of others who have been driven away from the site because of it &#8211; but that aside- it&#8217;s a bit pointless dissing the whole blog because it leaves you open to be asked &#8220;why bother coming here at all if nothing pleases you?&#8221; Clearly something must be of interest to you- and what &#8220;cause&#8221; are you talking about specifically? Would love to know.</p>
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		<title>By: whatever</title>
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		<dc:creator>whatever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>of COURSE we&#039;re the musical capital of the world -- we have shrek, grease AND mamma mia!!!

=:o</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of COURSE we&#8217;re the musical capital of the world &#8212; we have shrek, grease AND mamma mia!!!</p>
<p>=:o</p>
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		<title>By: joethetroll</title>
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		<dc:creator>joethetroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Karnal Jones  : What do you know about my life ? Nada - Sweety ! Spare us the dime-store analysis....can`t you &quot;girls&quot; even take some criticism ? You are a real &quot;Retro Queen &quot;,a dinosaur one thought disappeared after &quot;Liberation&quot;- post Stonewall.
Do you really think that these posts really are of any importance ? Does Mr. Gelb ( Where DO they get these names ? - Mr. &quot;Yellow &quot;) really care about this &quot;Queer Operazine &quot;- run by some drag queen who calls himself La Cieca - what a turnoff - this sets the cause back 50 years .All the nasty comments about R. Fleming - lets face it : she sings all over the world , gives pleasure to thousands ( except to some self-appointed nobodies on this site )and will be remembered as a minor singer - what are YOUR accomplishments ?
But you are right about one thing - this is  a waste of my time - George Jellinek this crew is definitely not ! Maybe I should check back in 10 years , and hopefully read informed criticism , not sophomoric rantings that are the norm here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Karnal Jones  : What do you know about my life ? Nada &#8211; Sweety ! Spare us the dime-store analysis&#8230;.can`t you &#8220;girls&#8221; even take some criticism ? You are a real &#8220;Retro Queen &#8220;,a dinosaur one thought disappeared after &#8220;Liberation&#8221;- post Stonewall.<br />
Do you really think that these posts really are of any importance ? Does Mr. Gelb ( Where DO they get these names ? &#8211; Mr. &#8220;Yellow &#8220;) really care about this &#8220;Queer Operazine &#8220;- run by some drag queen who calls himself La Cieca &#8211; what a turnoff &#8211; this sets the cause back 50 years .All the nasty comments about R. Fleming &#8211; lets face it : she sings all over the world , gives pleasure to thousands ( except to some self-appointed nobodies on this site )and will be remembered as a minor singer &#8211; what are YOUR accomplishments ?<br />
But you are right about one thing &#8211; this is  a waste of my time &#8211; George Jellinek this crew is definitely not ! Maybe I should check back in 10 years , and hopefully read informed criticism , not sophomoric rantings that are the norm here.</p>
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		<title>By: Karnal Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karnal Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joethetroll, one has to wonder- if this site is so terrible and we queens are such mongrels that you hate it all so much- why the heck do you waste your time reading and posting here?

It can only be because you are such a bitter twisted old sister, who&#039;s life is so pithy and pathetic, you can&#039;t even find company or interest anywhere else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joethetroll, one has to wonder- if this site is so terrible and we queens are such mongrels that you hate it all so much- why the heck do you waste your time reading and posting here?</p>
<p>It can only be because you are such a bitter twisted old sister, who&#8217;s life is so pithy and pathetic, you can&#8217;t even find company or interest anywhere else.</p>
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		<title>By: Browser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Browser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Turandot - I&#039;m sure that the people who live in Houston, Santa Fe and Chicago value their opera companies.  As for New York being the musical capital of the world.  No.  Berlin has three major opera companies and several fine orchestras, Paris has two houses for the Opera de Paris, the Chatelet and the Theatre de Cahmps-Elysees, numerous orchestras, Vienna, Salzburg, Milan, Rome, etc.  And then you come to London.  Two opera houses, the RPO, the LPO, the LSO, the Philharmonia, the Proms...the fine work done by the BBC orchestras.

I&#039;m afraid that NY, as fine a city as it is, does not come close in terms of musical activity...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turandot &#8211; I&#8217;m sure that the people who live in Houston, Santa Fe and Chicago value their opera companies.  As for New York being the musical capital of the world.  No.  Berlin has three major opera companies and several fine orchestras, Paris has two houses for the Opera de Paris, the Chatelet and the Theatre de Cahmps-Elysees, numerous orchestras, Vienna, Salzburg, Milan, Rome, etc.  And then you come to London.  Two opera houses, the RPO, the LPO, the LSO, the Philharmonia, the Proms&#8230;the fine work done by the BBC orchestras.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid that NY, as fine a city as it is, does not come close in terms of musical activity&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Turandot: when NY has an equivalent concert series as the Proms and more than one world class orchestra... then we can talk about musical capital of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turandot: when NY has an equivalent concert series as the Proms and more than one world class orchestra&#8230; then we can talk about musical capital of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: joethetroll</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, the Dainty Ladies protest too much !

 Let`s pretend we all are so polite and talk about Cultural Things...like..THE OPERA ! All one reads is the old boring epithets such as  ...well....I can`t help myself ...but mention such nasty words : Fuck.....Asshole....Jerk.....etc.....my face is turning red reading such things in such a lofty forum....and of course ...&quot;Euro-Trash&quot; - which to be honest...is what you Queens are - the trash whose ancestors  came here and whose mongrel offspring you are , and try to enoble yourself with &quot;KULTUR&quot;: &quot;Oh my dear , I am so above the hoi-polloi ...I go to the OPERA....and write to the Tuntendreck blog ...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, the Dainty Ladies protest too much !</p>
<p> Let`s pretend we all are so polite and talk about Cultural Things&#8230;like..THE OPERA ! All one reads is the old boring epithets such as  &#8230;well&#8230;.I can`t help myself &#8230;but mention such nasty words : Fuck&#8230;..Asshole&#8230;.Jerk&#8230;..etc&#8230;..my face is turning red reading such things in such a lofty forum&#8230;.and of course &#8230;&#8221;Euro-Trash&#8221; &#8211; which to be honest&#8230;is what you Queens are &#8211; the trash whose ancestors  came here and whose mongrel offspring you are , and try to enoble yourself with &#8220;KULTUR&#8221;: &#8220;Oh my dear , I am so above the hoi-polloi &#8230;I go to the OPERA&#8230;.and write to the Tuntendreck blog &#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mrmyster</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2008/11/07/mortierdammerung/comment-page-10/#comment-34685</link>
		<dc:creator>mrmyster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joethetroll - is that you, Sen Lieberman? You sound in good form, your usual self. I rise to defend my old friend La Cieca. I knew her, however long distance, back when -- back when she was doing a real service to the opera world by printing the Truth in her little funny pink-covered mimeographed book. I used to send money to help with paper, and she had a wonderful group of journalists amusing and informing us in an outrageous and often unique way, and with fresh and good insight. I encouraged her and still do. I wish some of those old names were back. BUT, in any case she is still doing wonderful work and I admire her and urge her to continue, even if her appeal is very specialized. Now, let me ask you, Joe The Troll, what are you doing here? Why are you here? If I were Cieca, I&#039;d throw you out very fast and not allow you back for a long time.
  It&#039;s not always nice here, but it&#039;s rarely as unpleasant as you seem to want to be - get the message?
Flora del Rio Grande</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joethetroll &#8211; is that you, Sen Lieberman? You sound in good form, your usual self. I rise to defend my old friend La Cieca. I knew her, however long distance, back when &#8212; back when she was doing a real service to the opera world by printing the Truth in her little funny pink-covered mimeographed book. I used to send money to help with paper, and she had a wonderful group of journalists amusing and informing us in an outrageous and often unique way, and with fresh and good insight. I encouraged her and still do. I wish some of those old names were back. BUT, in any case she is still doing wonderful work and I admire her and urge her to continue, even if her appeal is very specialized. Now, let me ask you, Joe The Troll, what are you doing here? Why are you here? If I were Cieca, I&#8217;d throw you out very fast and not allow you back for a long time.<br />
  It&#8217;s not always nice here, but it&#8217;s rarely as unpleasant as you seem to want to be &#8211; get the message?<br />
Flora del Rio Grande</p>
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		<title>By: Contopro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Contopro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joe the troll is the perfect name for you. Jerk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joe the troll is the perfect name for you. Jerk.</p>
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		<title>By: joethetroll</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2008/11/07/mortierdammerung/comment-page-10/#comment-34679</link>
		<dc:creator>joethetroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 04:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea, let`s all agree that NYCO should disappear - just like this silly website , run by some pathetic Queen calling him/herslf  &quot;La Cieca &quot;: I got the right name for you : Tuntendreck !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, let`s all agree that NYCO should disappear &#8211; just like this silly website , run by some pathetic Queen calling him/herslf  &#8220;La Cieca &#8220;: I got the right name for you : Tuntendreck !</p>
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		<title>By: Arianna a Nasso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arianna a Nasso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 04:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;New York is the capital of the musical world&quot;

I&#039;m sure our friends in London will enjoy reading this when they wake up tomorrow morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;New York is the capital of the musical world&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure our friends in London will enjoy reading this when they wake up tomorrow morning.</p>
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		<title>By: Brooklynpunk</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2008/11/07/mortierdammerung/comment-page-10/#comment-34675</link>
		<dc:creator>Brooklynpunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 04:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear that , Dallas..Hoston...Santa Fe..Chicago.??.y&#039;all are SAFE from the dreaded oncologist---and his  stud boyfriend,,,,,

For the so-called &quot;Capital&quot; of the music -world, we ain&#039;t doing very well lately...eh, doc??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear that , Dallas..Hoston&#8230;Santa Fe..Chicago.??.y&#8217;all are SAFE from the dreaded oncologist&#8212;and his  stud boyfriend,,,,,</p>
<p>For the so-called &#8220;Capital&#8221; of the music -world, we ain&#8217;t doing very well lately&#8230;eh, doc??</p>
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		<title>By: turandot</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>High c&#039;s: I don&#039;t think there is any company in NEW YORK that has done Handel more than NYCO. As for getting out more ... New York is the capital of the musical world. I have no interest in going to Dallas, Houston, or Santa Fe. 

I also have no interest in trash like Angels in America, A Wedding, and the mediocre casts that Houston and Dallas put on.

NYCO is needed far more than Houston or Dallas or Santa Fe. 

As for Chicago, they just recently did Giulio Cesare -- and as a point of reference it was the first time that had ever performed this masterpiece in over 50 years of existence.

Please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>High c&#8217;s: I don&#8217;t think there is any company in NEW YORK that has done Handel more than NYCO. As for getting out more &#8230; New York is the capital of the musical world. I have no interest in going to Dallas, Houston, or Santa Fe. </p>
<p>I also have no interest in trash like Angels in America, A Wedding, and the mediocre casts that Houston and Dallas put on.</p>
<p>NYCO is needed far more than Houston or Dallas or Santa Fe. </p>
<p>As for Chicago, they just recently did Giulio Cesare &#8212; and as a point of reference it was the first time that had ever performed this masterpiece in over 50 years of existence.</p>
<p>Please.</p>
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		<title>By: High C's @ 4:20</title>
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		<dc:creator>High C's @ 4:20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Turandot... i dont think the NYCO could be considered worthless... hardly... but you should get out more... Ive seen Handel in Dallas Houston Chicago &amp; Santa Fe...Ive seen lots of Strauss including Daphne in Santa Fe &amp; Dallas and Houston...plus rarities like Ermione (twice) and Angels in America and A Wedding. 

Im just sayin&#039;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turandot&#8230; i dont think the NYCO could be considered worthless&#8230; hardly&#8230; but you should get out more&#8230; Ive seen Handel in Dallas Houston Chicago &amp; Santa Fe&#8230;Ive seen lots of Strauss including Daphne in Santa Fe &amp; Dallas and Houston&#8230;plus rarities like Ermione (twice) and Angels in America and A Wedding. </p>
<p>Im just sayin&#8217;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: turandot</title>
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		<dc:creator>turandot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brooklynpunk: there have been serious questions about NYCO at least 2 years. Tommassini and the Times have been AWOL on this subject. Where were they? Why wasn&#039;t he writing about it? It&#039;s one thing to &quot;hope for the best&quot; it&#039;s quite another for journalists to ignore what was right in front of their faces. We all saw it. Why didn&#039;t they? Why didn&#039;t they write about it? Probably because he liked what Mortier was promising and that clouded his judgment. If he has any judgment.

Thank god for La Cieca!

As for those who think NYCO has been worthless I beg to differ. Yes, I avoided the standard rep stuff they did because it was almost uniformly bad. Yes, I wish they had engaged better conductors. But it was also a place I could go to see and hear things I didn&#039;t get anywhere else. Neither the MET nor Chicago has done Die Tote Stadt but I saw it there 3 times over the years with fine casts.

All the Handel wonders I could see no where else. Did I always like the productions or the singing? No, but I&#039;m glad I got to see them. 

Some of the Strauss operas -- Daphne for instance -- that I can&#039;t see at the MET or in Chicago or San Francisco. 

The rarities -- Ariane by Dukas, Mines of Sulphur, Little Prince, the Gilbert and Sullivan, many, many others.

So I will be sad to see them go because I have had many pleasurable experiences there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brooklynpunk: there have been serious questions about NYCO at least 2 years. Tommassini and the Times have been AWOL on this subject. Where were they? Why wasn&#8217;t he writing about it? It&#8217;s one thing to &#8220;hope for the best&#8221; it&#8217;s quite another for journalists to ignore what was right in front of their faces. We all saw it. Why didn&#8217;t they? Why didn&#8217;t they write about it? Probably because he liked what Mortier was promising and that clouded his judgment. If he has any judgment.</p>
<p>Thank god for La Cieca!</p>
<p>As for those who think NYCO has been worthless I beg to differ. Yes, I avoided the standard rep stuff they did because it was almost uniformly bad. Yes, I wish they had engaged better conductors. But it was also a place I could go to see and hear things I didn&#8217;t get anywhere else. Neither the MET nor Chicago has done Die Tote Stadt but I saw it there 3 times over the years with fine casts.</p>
<p>All the Handel wonders I could see no where else. Did I always like the productions or the singing? No, but I&#8217;m glad I got to see them. </p>
<p>Some of the Strauss operas &#8212; Daphne for instance &#8212; that I can&#8217;t see at the MET or in Chicago or San Francisco. </p>
<p>The rarities &#8212; Ariane by Dukas, Mines of Sulphur, Little Prince, the Gilbert and Sullivan, many, many others.</p>
<p>So I will be sad to see them go because I have had many pleasurable experiences there.</p>
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		<title>By: NYCOQ</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite all the Mortier bashing. I think that it was smart of him to get out while the gettin was good. Being promised a 60 million budget and having 36 million to work with would be untenable for anyone. I know that I am preacahing to the choir, but NYCO has been in artistic decline for quite a while. Does anyone here remember the past 4 or 5 SAD ASS seasons there? 

Mortier offerred an artisticly challenging an interesting start for his first season no matter what a persons views are about 20th century music. He had plans for little perfomed operas like Les Hugenots and he was contracting exciting young singers a la Bruggegossman. Lord knows I was sick of getting under prepared newbies from HGO&#039;s Young Artist Program. Mortier certainly is not the cause of NYCO&#039;s woes. This has been a long time coming starting with Kellog&#039;s antagonism toward Beverly Sills and his stupidity in not realizing that she would have been his biggest fundraiser. J&#039;accuse Baker and all of the silly board members who let this happen to the company. 

It is New York City&#039;s loss to lose a General Manager like Mortier. Like him or not he would have made real changes. Well, there&#039;s always BAM and of course the Met.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite all the Mortier bashing. I think that it was smart of him to get out while the gettin was good. Being promised a 60 million budget and having 36 million to work with would be untenable for anyone. I know that I am preacahing to the choir, but NYCO has been in artistic decline for quite a while. Does anyone here remember the past 4 or 5 SAD ASS seasons there? </p>
<p>Mortier offerred an artisticly challenging an interesting start for his first season no matter what a persons views are about 20th century music. He had plans for little perfomed operas like Les Hugenots and he was contracting exciting young singers a la Bruggegossman. Lord knows I was sick of getting under prepared newbies from HGO&#8217;s Young Artist Program. Mortier certainly is not the cause of NYCO&#8217;s woes. This has been a long time coming starting with Kellog&#8217;s antagonism toward Beverly Sills and his stupidity in not realizing that she would have been his biggest fundraiser. J&#8217;accuse Baker and all of the silly board members who let this happen to the company. </p>
<p>It is New York City&#8217;s loss to lose a General Manager like Mortier. Like him or not he would have made real changes. Well, there&#8217;s always BAM and of course the Met.</p>
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		<title>By: Browser</title>
		<link>http://parterre.com/2008/11/07/mortierdammerung/comment-page-9/#comment-34639</link>
		<dc:creator>Browser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neef is very good news for COC.  Not so much that he will bring in star names, but this is a man who really understands voices, you coudl very definitely see which were his choices at Paris and which were Mortiers.  Expect him to bring new stars to the fore, much as Peter Katona did at Covent Garden during the 90s...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neef is very good news for COC.  Not so much that he will bring in star names, but this is a man who really understands voices, you coudl very definitely see which were his choices at Paris and which were Mortiers.  Expect him to bring new stars to the fore, much as Peter Katona did at Covent Garden during the 90s&#8230;</p>
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