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		<title>LVPO commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>LVPO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ach!... I could sing TRISTAN tomorrow... It&#039;s a question of wobble, no top and small size... ehmm voice. Oh and being in the right corridor at the wrong time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ach!&#8230; I could sing TRISTAN tomorrow&#8230; It&#8217;s a question of wobble, no top and small size&#8230; ehmm voice. Oh and being in the right corridor at the wrong time!</p>
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		<title>Famous Quickly commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>Famous Quickly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 05:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I turned Chulius down for BOMARZO. I said, &quot;Let them get that Turner Woman&quot; and they did. I was too busy facing Marcellina.

I could sing Reimann&#039;s Regan *tomorrow*-- it&#039;s a question of shrieking and screaming like a banshee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I turned Chulius down for BOMARZO. I said, &#8220;Let them get that Turner Woman&#8221; and they did. I was too busy facing Marcellina.</p>
<p>I could sing Reimann&#8217;s Regan *tomorrow*&#8211; it&#8217;s a question of shrieking and screaming like a banshee.</p>
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		<title>ruxton commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>ruxton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Folks- finally caught up with the HD broadcast of Manon Lescaut on Wednesday and have to say much of the comment on here was spot on. I liked Karita Matilla - just wish I was seeing her in another opera- she was miscast. Loved the traditional set but the sound seemed to be muted somewhat- particularly in acts one and two- did anyone else think that?
I haven&#039;t seen much on here so far that is encouraging me to go to Peter Grimes and Tristan &amp; Isolde- but will keep looking. 
I do like the cameo&#039;s and special features in between the acts- there is much to like in the HD broadcasts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Folks- finally caught up with the HD broadcast of Manon Lescaut on Wednesday and have to say much of the comment on here was spot on. I liked Karita Matilla &#8211; just wish I was seeing her in another opera- she was miscast. Loved the traditional set but the sound seemed to be muted somewhat- particularly in acts one and two- did anyone else think that?<br />
I haven&#8217;t seen much on here so far that is encouraging me to go to Peter Grimes and Tristan &amp; Isolde- but will keep looking.<br />
I do like the cameo&#8217;s and special features in between the acts- there is much to like in the HD broadcasts.</p>
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		<title>Sanford commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sanford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Famous Quickly, I&#039;ve Missed You!!!!!</description>
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		<title>Mark commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The opera announced by COT is NOT Carmen; it&#039;s an adaptation of Carmen. 

They always do interesting stuff and who wants to see one more boring baroque opera unless they can get Nicholas Phan to do it tight white shorts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The opera announced by COT is NOT Carmen; it&#8217;s an adaptation of Carmen. </p>
<p>They always do interesting stuff and who wants to see one more boring baroque opera unless they can get Nicholas Phan to do it tight white shorts?</p>
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		<title>Straussmonster commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>Straussmonster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just speaking for myself, some of the hand-wringing and fussing about NYCO&#039;s all 20th century season came out of a concern on the more practical side of things.  The City Opera is not exactly flush and depends very much on its subscribers: is taking a year dark and then coming back with an all-20th century season a sound thing to do?  I&#039;m personally ambivalent, but I of course hope for the best for the institution.  And the NYCO did do a service with the bel canto and Baroque that it brought around, because they brought works around that didn&#039;t get a hearing elsewhere in the area.  I may be alone in this, but I think the idea of balancing out the season with standard rep, Baroque/bel canto, and newer operas (often American) is not a bad idea.  Execution could be better, but, well...  So I&#039;m interested to see what Mortier plans for seasons to come, closer ones than 2012.

As for the lament about the lack of wider-ranging 20th century fare, I&#039;m sympathetic to all listeners who don&#039;t get to see rarities that they&#039;ve wanted to.  I count myself lucky that I&#039;ve gotten to see three Gluck operas in the past two years!  The hard fact of life in running a company is that to some degree, you have to bow to the market (although that&#039;s often taken too far/used as an excuse).  To be fair, the commentator quibbled with in Mr. Dickie&#039;s blog said:

&lt;i&gt;I cannot conceal my slight disappointment that following the success of the Monteverdi cycle and other triumphs, COT has chosen not to continue to explore the 1600-1660 transitional period between the Renaissance and the Baroque. I was silently hoping for something by Cavalli or Cesti, or perhaps something a bit later, such as Lully or Charpentier.&lt;/i&gt;

As little as rare 20th century repertory is played, this stuff is pretty rare too--so ironically, you&#039;re in much the same boat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just speaking for myself, some of the hand-wringing and fussing about NYCO&#8217;s all 20th century season came out of a concern on the more practical side of things.  The City Opera is not exactly flush and depends very much on its subscribers: is taking a year dark and then coming back with an all-20th century season a sound thing to do?  I&#8217;m personally ambivalent, but I of course hope for the best for the institution.  And the NYCO did do a service with the bel canto and Baroque that it brought around, because they brought works around that didn&#8217;t get a hearing elsewhere in the area.  I may be alone in this, but I think the idea of balancing out the season with standard rep, Baroque/bel canto, and newer operas (often American) is not a bad idea.  Execution could be better, but, well&#8230;  So I&#8217;m interested to see what Mortier plans for seasons to come, closer ones than 2012.</p>
<p>As for the lament about the lack of wider-ranging 20th century fare, I&#8217;m sympathetic to all listeners who don&#8217;t get to see rarities that they&#8217;ve wanted to.  I count myself lucky that I&#8217;ve gotten to see three Gluck operas in the past two years!  The hard fact of life in running a company is that to some degree, you have to bow to the market (although that&#8217;s often taken too far/used as an excuse).  To be fair, the commentator quibbled with in Mr. Dickie&#8217;s blog said:</p>
<p><i>I cannot conceal my slight disappointment that following the success of the Monteverdi cycle and other triumphs, COT has chosen not to continue to explore the 1600-1660 transitional period between the Renaissance and the Baroque. I was silently hoping for something by Cavalli or Cesti, or perhaps something a bit later, such as Lully or Charpentier.</i></p>
<p>As little as rare 20th century repertory is played, this stuff is pretty rare too&#8211;so ironically, you&#8217;re in much the same boat.</p>
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		<title>Henry Holland commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Chicago Opera Theatre announced their 2009 season yesterday (&lt;i&gt;Clemenza di Tito, Carmen&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Owen Wingrave&lt;/i&gt;) and a gentleman posted on Brian Dickie&#039;s blog about how awful it was that there wasn&#039;t any baroque stuff on the agenda.  I wrote this, and it applies to all the people who moaned about Mortier&#039;s first season too:

Mr. Friedman, I have zero sympathy for your Dido-esque lament about the lack of baroque opera. You&#039;re complaining about a gap of two years *GASP* without &quot;an authentic performance&quot; from one company, well, I love serialist/12-tone operas, so your complaint is risible. Lyric doing &quot;Lulu&quot; this year is almost shocking, but apart from that and the upcoming Lincoln Center production of BA Zimmerman&#039;s awesome &quot;Die Soldaten&quot;, it looks like to hear any of some of my favorite operas, I&#039;ll again have to travel to Europe.

When opera companies in this country stage things like &quot;Moses und Aron&quot;, &quot;The Mask of Orpheus&quot;, &quot;Bomarzo&quot;, &quot;Three Sisters&quot;, &quot;Lear&quot;, &quot;Der Rose von Steinfeld&quot; and on and on with the frequency that they do the utterly ghastly (TO ME) baroque stuff, I&#039;ll be more sympathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Chicago Opera Theatre announced their 2009 season yesterday (<i>Clemenza di Tito, Carmen</i> and <i>Owen Wingrave</i>) and a gentleman posted on Brian Dickie&#8217;s blog about how awful it was that there wasn&#8217;t any baroque stuff on the agenda.  I wrote this, and it applies to all the people who moaned about Mortier&#8217;s first season too:</p>
<p>Mr. Friedman, I have zero sympathy for your Dido-esque lament about the lack of baroque opera. You&#8217;re complaining about a gap of two years *GASP* without &#8220;an authentic performance&#8221; from one company, well, I love serialist/12-tone operas, so your complaint is risible. Lyric doing &#8220;Lulu&#8221; this year is almost shocking, but apart from that and the upcoming Lincoln Center production of BA Zimmerman&#8217;s awesome &#8220;Die Soldaten&#8221;, it looks like to hear any of some of my favorite operas, I&#8217;ll again have to travel to Europe.</p>
<p>When opera companies in this country stage things like &#8220;Moses und Aron&#8221;, &#8220;The Mask of Orpheus&#8221;, &#8220;Bomarzo&#8221;, &#8220;Three Sisters&#8221;, &#8220;Lear&#8221;, &#8220;Der Rose von Steinfeld&#8221; and on and on with the frequency that they do the utterly ghastly (TO ME) baroque stuff, I&#8217;ll be more sympathetic.</p>
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		<title>Henry Holland commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Hey Holland, you almost sound as dumb as your names at the Times&lt;/i&gt;

Speaking of dumb, Mark, did you see this:

/sarcasm

in my post? You might want to look up hyperbole in a dictionary.

&lt;i&gt;Well, none of the works Mortier announced for his first season were serial or even atonal.  So, unless all 20th-century works outside the Barber-Menotti axis must always be considered â€œdifficultâ€ and â€œsinger-hostileâ€, there was an awful lot of over-reaction to those facts.&lt;/i&gt;

Thank you, at least *you* got what I mocking.  There was some rending of garments on this site about the fact that that first season didn&#039;t contain any bel canto or baroque stuff, and people were moaning &quot;Oh god, all that 20th century stuff, where are we going to hear Handel and Donizetti&quot; etc. The fact that it was just the first season and that wasn&#039;t going to be the policy going forward seems to have escaped a lot of people.  

I have almost zero interest in most operas not by Wagner or Berlioz written before ca. 1890 and it&#039;s always a struggle to hear performances of the stuff I like.  But one freaking season that didn&#039;t contain &lt;i&gt;La Donna del Lago&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;Alcina&lt;/i&gt; and their ilk had people grasping for their pearls.  Well, welcome to *my* world every season, for almost every company in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Hey Holland, you almost sound as dumb as your names at the Times</i></p>
<p>Speaking of dumb, Mark, did you see this:</p>
<p>/sarcasm</p>
<p>in my post? You might want to look up hyperbole in a dictionary.</p>
<p><i>Well, none of the works Mortier announced for his first season were serial or even atonal.  So, unless all 20th-century works outside the Barber-Menotti axis must always be considered â€œdifficultâ€ and â€œsinger-hostileâ€, there was an awful lot of over-reaction to those facts.</i></p>
<p>Thank you, at least *you* got what I mocking.  There was some rending of garments on this site about the fact that that first season didn&#8217;t contain any bel canto or baroque stuff, and people were moaning &#8220;Oh god, all that 20th century stuff, where are we going to hear Handel and Donizetti&#8221; etc. The fact that it was just the first season and that wasn&#8217;t going to be the policy going forward seems to have escaped a lot of people.  </p>
<p>I have almost zero interest in most operas not by Wagner or Berlioz written before ca. 1890 and it&#8217;s always a struggle to hear performances of the stuff I like.  But one freaking season that didn&#8217;t contain <i>La Donna del Lago</i> or <i>Alcina</i> and their ilk had people grasping for their pearls.  Well, welcome to *my* world every season, for almost every company in the world.</p>
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		<title>Maria Ricardo di Minneapolis commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria Ricardo di Minneapolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gran dio!  I can see it now, the boys wear masks and torture the two girls, and then they and Despina kill themselves in a suicide pact.   Normally, I&#039;m pro-reggieseur, but this announcement disturbs me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gran dio!  I can see it now, the boys wear masks and torture the two girls, and then they and Despina kill themselves in a suicide pact.   Normally, I&#8217;m pro-reggieseur, but this announcement disturbs me.</p>
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		<title>Dicktoy Rihalla commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dicktoy Rihalla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a disturbing film clip, but the guy doing the talking has him some scrumptious lips...</description>
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		<title>Gualtier MaldÃ¨ commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gualtier MaldÃ¨</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Famous Quickly (Welcome Back!), you did not want to appear in Salzburg in a secondary mezzo role, so your dear colleague Ira Malaniuk sang in your stead.  Remember she was your Fricka in the Clemens Krauss &quot;Ring&quot; in 1953?  When they said they had a mezzo as Sieglinde and a soprano as Fricka?

Nice to hear from you dear!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Famous Quickly (Welcome Back!), you did not want to appear in Salzburg in a secondary mezzo role, so your dear colleague Ira Malaniuk sang in your stead.  Remember she was your Fricka in the Clemens Krauss &#8220;Ring&#8221; in 1953?  When they said they had a mezzo as Sieglinde and a soprano as Fricka?</p>
<p>Nice to hear from you dear!</p>
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		<title>Famous Quickly commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>Famous Quickly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I created Barber and Menotti&#039;s Old Baroness at the Met but not at Salzburg, where they knew me as Eboli and in all the RING roles I would sing before flying home to face Marcellina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I created Barber and Menotti&#8217;s Old Baroness at the Met but not at Salzburg, where they knew me as Eboli and in all the RING roles I would sing before flying home to face Marcellina.</p>
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		<title>Indiana Loiterer III commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indiana Loiterer III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;No one was over-reacting. Mortier has announced that his first season will consist solely of 20th century works. So people were reacting to facts.&lt;/I&gt;

Well, none of the works Mortier announced for his first season were serial or even atonal.
So, unless all 20th-century works outside the Barber-Menotti axis must always be considered &quot;difficult&quot; and &quot;singer-hostile&quot;, there was an awful lot of over-reaction to those facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>No one was over-reacting. Mortier has announced that his first season will consist solely of 20th century works. So people were reacting to facts.</i></p>
<p>Well, none of the works Mortier announced for his first season were serial or even atonal.<br />
So, unless all 20th-century works outside the Barber-Menotti axis must always be considered &#8220;difficult&#8221; and &#8220;singer-hostile&#8221;, there was an awful lot of over-reaction to those facts.</p>
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		<title>tannengrin commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>tannengrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would let Mr. Haneke do a Handel. Da capo numbers seem to be his thing.</description>
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		<title>Famous Quickly commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>Famous Quickly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could sing Anne Trulove *tomorrow*- it&#039;s a question of color and tessitura.</description>
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		<title>Mark commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Holland, you almost sound as dumb as your names at the Times. 

No one was over-reacting. Mortier has announced that his first season will consist solely of 20th century works. So people were reacting to facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Holland, you almost sound as dumb as your names at the Times. </p>
<p>No one was over-reacting. Mortier has announced that his first season will consist solely of 20th century works. So people were reacting to facts.</p>
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		<title>whatever commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>whatever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 04:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice that they have plans for 2012, but what about, er, SEPTEMBER?????

(just for the record, the announcement of the upcoming un-season is by most accounts a month overdue.)</description>
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<p>(just for the record, the announcement of the upcoming un-season is by most accounts a month overdue.)</p>
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		<title>Hans Lick commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hans Lick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 04:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Rake&#039;s Progress -- the breakfast scene with Tom, Nick and Baba the Turk. Did I get it right this time?</description>
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		<title>Krunoslav commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krunoslav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to care about who conducts a Mozart opera is pretty remarkable for a professional singer.</description>
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		<title>sugarmezzo commented</title>
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		<dc:creator>sugarmezzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh who cares. As long as they hire people who can actually SING THE ROLES, I could care less about any of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh who cares. As long as they hire people who can actually SING THE ROLES, I could care less about any of it.</p>
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