I cc what you did there
Which world-class maestro is about ready to throw himself off of the roof since he accidentally cced a private email exchange to his entire list of contacts -- including Mrs. Maestro?
The exchange was eventually forwarded to La Cieca, who redacted some of the details for the sake of privacy, and now presents it for your perusal:
The exchange was eventually forwarded to La Cieca, who redacted some of the details for the sake of privacy, and now presents it for your perusal:
-----Original Message-----
From: [Maestro]
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2007 05:12 PM
To: [The Maestro's entire contact list!]
Subject: Fwd: OCT4
-----Original Message-----
From: [Maestro]
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2007 12:15 PM
To: [Maestro's friend]
Subject: Re: OCT4
Don't take a bag for this short trip ,it will be easier at airport and NO LIQUID in your purse .
When you enter in the ST Regis hotel ,turn left .The FIRST COUNTER on thr left (about 5 meters from thr main door) is the CONCIERGE.I'll leave an enveloppe with an electronic key under YOUR NAME.
THE ROOM NUMBER IS [redacted].
Wait for me in the room .You'l find a bath robe .I WANT TO FIND YOU NAKED when I arrive.
-----Original Message-----
From: [Maestro's friend]
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2007 06:11 AM
To: [Maestro]
Subject: OCT4
Did you already arrive at Beijing?
Is it cold in Beijing?
I'm packing now.
I'll visit you on Thursday.
My cell is usable in China. [redacted]
Looking forward to seeing you.
See you soon!
Kisses. M
POSTED at
3:06 PM
58 Comments:
Maazel?
"off the roof" made me think of Tosca.
He is conducting Tosca in the spring.
The sordid lives of operatic conductors revealed: now that's something, huh?
How many conductors out there whose last initial is M?
Not many.
So, it must be Maazl! Oh, my Lord!
It may well be Maazel, BUT Opera Chanteuse, I think you've got it wrong about the intial.
The "M" was signing the email TO the mystery maestro, not FROM the mystery maestro.
So the M is not necessarily the maestro's initial.
It has to be Dutoit ("of the roof").
He's conducting the China Philharmonic in Beijing this week.
And he likes Chinese girls.
Hmm, that doesn't exactly create an appealing image.
On a completely unrelated note, I just want to announce that Roberto Alagna has been confirmed for the Dec 12 and 15 (broadcast) performances of Romeo et Juliette. It's confirmed on his website
Besides, if the dates on the email are accurate, then Maazel is right here in NYC, not Beijing.
Let's track down who is in Beijing - for example, for the Beijing Music Festival...
Potential names are: Daniel Barenboim, Edo de Waart, Charles Dutoit, and Christoph Eschenbach, Michel Plasson, Michael Stern...
Well, if the dates and Beijing location are accurate, then I imagine it is not Maazel since he was supposedly conducting the NY Phil at Avery Fisher this week. But other NY Phil peeps, including Mehta, were in Beijing (per the Times article about a possible concert in North Korea).
i thought of maazel as well, but for a different reason ... off the roof reminded me of fiddler ON the roof, and maazel of course was a string player ... and anyone who conducts wagner like he does is clearly a 'mo :)
It's not Barenboim AND he does not stay at the St. Regis.
Whenever I hear these email-forwarding horror stories, I wonder how lame does one have to be with technology to do that.
I'm not even sure on my PC how to go about sending something to my entire contact list if I wanted to. How can it be that easy to do inadvertantly?
Probably with hand-helds... Blackberries must be the culprit.
Speaking of Alagna...
Anyone else notice the NY Sun article about Alagna which refer to his "EX-wife" the Romanian soprano Gheorghiu?
Wasn't it last week she had to be with her "husband" at the Met.
Now it's "ex"?
And I agree - given La Cieca's clever word puns, Dutoit could be the maestro in question!
A note gone awry? Everyone (including the wife) finding out about a liaison? Private flirtations revealed to the world at large?
Which libretto were they reading? And can we resurrect Lehar or Kalman to set the damn thing?
-- Hans Lick
Please remember that "St. Regis" is a namebrand now, spreading out beyond the lovely 55th Street venue.
And, for the record, I am absolutely lame enough to do something that stupid with e-mail.
DollyLama, it's a typo. We have that coming from direct sources who believe me, if anyone should know if Angela and Roberto are still married, THEY would. Besides,has there been any announcement of a divorce? no, didn't think so.
Maybe Georghiu devorced Alagna in a rage of jealousy after seen the love scene of Romeo at Juliette, where Roberto was mounted by the love-crazed Anna! It does not get any better.
To operalalaworld -
I had heard from someone quite a while ago in Europe that they were not legally married anymore but still something of a couple, and preferring to keep their legal shift private.
The reason I mention it now is that on OperaChic's blog, there was a comment a few weeks ago who wrote that they were fini as a married couple as per the public record.
All told, it seems like an odd typo to me.
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It's the St. Regis in Beijing. Just find out who's conducting there or what orchestra was/is staying there and you're golden:
http://www.starwoodhotels.com/stregis/property/overview/index.html?propertyID=110
Eeewww, yuck, a quickie for the Maestro, no baggage necessary - was she not planning to see the city when Maestro wasn't being serviced. Perhaps M stand for Monica?
In any case, an already sent email being accidentally forwarded to the whole world sounds like the work of Mrs Maestro, or Monica #2 or 3. Did Maestro forget to log out somewhere?
The topic may be making the rounds on other forums, possibly because today because a NY paper printed "ex-wife".
The NY Sun is not exactly the Times of London, but it's a published report nonetheless, unless it's denied or retracted as an error.
Really, you're right. Why should anyone believe an anonymous and snippy internet poster when they can trust a published report.
So, based on published reports from the New York press, they're divorced.
Thanks for setting me straight on that.
Funny, you said the exact same thing on another forum...
How reliable is this "someone from Europe"?
Well, I prefer to believe my sources which happens to be two members of the Alagna family. Don't you think that's reliable enough? I have proof from a friend who knows these two VERY well that they "can't keep their hands off each other".
And don't you find it odd that only a few lines down from this "odd" typo, the writer talks about how Angela went to New York to be with Roberto? Who Angela has repeatedly called her husband thru this whole ordeal?
You have your sources, and I have mine. Mine just happen to be the people in quesiton...and i believe them!
(and they should know)
Haha, no, not really. I have realized the error of my ways believing anything on the Web :-)
I will stick with the published reports - until the spinmeisters have time to do their thing!
Barenboim departed China for Japan in September, so it cannot be Barenboim.
Dutoit is not presently married, so it cannot be Dutoit.
That leaves Edo De Waart, so it must be De Waart.
La Cieca, I think you planted a clue with regard to the one-act John Adams opera, but I am not entirely sure about that.
Like Russia, La Cieca, you are an enigma wrapped in a riddle . . .
Dollylama
Why are you so dense?
I really don't see why you would choose to believe a report in a newspaper most likely written by a writer who has no connection whatsoever to the Alagnas, rather than believing the people from within the Alagna family? As operalalaworld said, the Alagnas "knows better" than anyone else!
Dollylama--
You are correct to apply a skeptical eye to Internet postings. But you're utterly wrong to take what appears in print as gospel. Perhaps it's not a typo. But the NY Times, after all, misspelled Alberto Gonzales's last name repeatedly. All sorts of errors make their way into print. It's entirely possible this is one of them.
And by the way, I assume these guys would have been rehearsing a couple of days ago when said email was sent?
http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/events/12274/
Thank you Fred and Confused Passerby!
I feel the need to make the point that these are REAL PEOPLE!! no pleasure should be gained from their ordeal whether they are divorced (which i will assure you of again, they are not) or whether they aren't. One shouldn't wish such things on people. Like them or not as artists, they deserve to have at least a happy life as a family. And you,DL make it sound as if you wish they would be separated, simply so they can be that much unhappier.
Supposedly I'm out of MY mind: what would I gain from trying to claim the Alagnas are still together? It's those who try their best to spread rumours that they're divorced that might gain something.....such as brewing up chaotic rumour and see it boil up over the top.
And may i simply ask what is the point of getting a divorce and not telling anyone?? I mean, can you think about that for a second and tell me where the logic is? At this point, it wouldn't really hurt their careers since they don't perform together as much...and if they still live, raise kids, travel etc together, than why would they even bother breaking up?
The story just doesn't hold any weight. Sorry to disappoint you ;)
Yes, I know that there is a St. Regis in Beijing.
Well, I have been forwarded a copy of said mail from a reliable source, and strictly entre moi et toi .... it's
Rules of the internet:
1: Never believe anything
2: Especially never believe anyone who says 'I'm a friend/ friend of a friend/ friend of the family'
> that they "can't keep their hands
> off each other".
Jonas Kauffman must be pissed!
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My, I seem to have gotten your goat.
Frankly, an opera gossip blog seems to be a very odd place to object to opera gossip, especially while at the same time contributing directly to it.
On a humorous note, being unable to keep their hands off each other is usually a good clue that a couple is not married, not that they are married :-)
This couple are lucky that they have a close personal friend like you, to troll the internet on their behalf, to leap to their defense quickly, albeit anonymously. (Pardon my use of the word troll, no offense intended.)
Instead of making innuendos about me, why not go over to Operachic thread and defend your friends there as well.
PS - Too bad the maestro in question doesn't have a good friend like you. If the CC email story is true then whoever he is he currently has far more problems than Alagna!!
Now run off to the Operachic!! There is work to be done :-)
Okay - it is Edo de Waart. He just did concerts with the Hong Kong Philharmonic at the Beijing Music Festival. Of course I could be wrong.
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DollyLama, you ignorant slut. (early SNL reference)
Um, you're posting anonymously too!
and i know you know that i'm not bluffing about knowing the family. Isn't that right Maria?
But you're right, I should know that people will believe what they want to believe. There is no need for rude language though, and what does "troll" even mean? I mean, i'm a teenager and all, but all these new IM?computer words are new to me. I prefer to use real words if you don't mind.
And for your information, I don't troll the internet on their behalf. I read something that was false and have come to a few sites to try to help the rumors. Why do you want them to be divorced so badly anyway? Do you have a thing for Roberto? or maybe Angela's more your type.
Look, I wasn't attacking you personally, I'm just trying to show you that there is no evidence that they are divorced. They call each other their spouses, they're together, and there has been no mention in the past or present of them getting a divorce. In fact, the article says "ex-wife" and knowing how long it takes to finalize a divorce, we can assume that that means they were divorced a few years ago. So why was there never any mention or clue about it? Seriously, do you WANT them to be divorced? Why would you wish that on anybody? That's like me telling you that I hope your parent died or something!
And I don't read garbage like OperaChic by the way. In fact I never read that many blogs before today, it's an interesting means of communication...
One more thing: I don't know what kind of household you grew up in where married couples touching each other means they can't be married! What kind of logic is that?! Why can't they be married and still be in love with each other? I'm really beginning to think you have a grudge against these two and just hate the fact that they might be happy! At first I thought you were just being skeptical, but now, dude I think you may have some issues you'll want to work out.
It's okay for them to be happy, I promise that it will in no way affect the routine of your daily life. So now it's your turn to "run along" and start being happy!
When Edo de Waart was the music director of the San Francisco Symphony, his nickname was "Edo Divorce" because I believe he was on his fourth or fifth marriage at the time, and that was a few decades ago. What a sex-crazed Dutch stud, and more power to him.
who is mrs. de wart now? he was once married to roberta alexander, wasn't he? how old is he?
From musicianguide.com:
"[Susan] Graham spoke of a seven-year relationship she had with conductor Edo de Waart: "We performed a lot together, which is wonderful to do with someone who is also your partner ... but ultimately we broke up because we were in different places. He wanted domesticity, and my career was just beginning to blossom."
De Waart was also once married at some point to the late Ruth Welting.
I was forwarded this as being from Dutoit; not sure that conducting internationally makes him "a world -class conductor", though-- never heard any evidence of that in concerts or recordings...
I confess I am weary of having to sign in as a new user every few days. Cieca, mahnendes Weib--is that a browser thing?
krunoslav: Honestly I don't have that problem, but I think it may have something to do with the fact that blogger is a google product. Since I sign in with a gmail account, there is some kind of cookie or something that makes the process easy.
It is possible simply to sign in as "other" then type in your alias; all that will be missing is a link to your (currently nonexistent) blogger blogpage.
"World-class" is rather a vague term, isn't it?
Yeah, take that, Dolly Parton!
The New York Sun writer should be fired from his post. The nerve of him!
And to think, Madame had just been fired by a major opera house, and now this?!!!
Where's the humanity?
AhhhHHHHHHH! I'm having a mad scene of my own right now!
Dolly you really baffle me!
Honestly, your messages really sound like some messages I came across posted on the Alagna's fan club website.
I really hope my assumption that you are the same person is wrong. Otherwise the Alagnas are very unlucky to have a person like you posing as their fan on their fan site and slashing them off on other sites.
If you are not the same person then sorry for suspecting you. On the other hand, if you are actually the same person as I suspect, may I ask why did you bother joining their fanclub site anyway when you obviously are not a fan?
Is Edo de Waart considered a "world class" conductor?
Would he use the word "meters" instead of feet or yards?
Yes, I suppose de Waart would use "meters" since he is Dutch - however I wouldn´t consider him a world-class conductor, but maybe others would....
In theory, it could still easily be Barenboim - he has performances in Tokyo on the 3rd and 6th of October and could easily fly 1-2 days to Beijing - a "short trip" is mentioned....
While at SFO, de Waart was involved with Shari Greenwald. At the time he left, he'd just married a beautiful arts administrator. The man SERIOUSLY gets around.
If I saw approaching a woman, my advice to her would be: RUN!!!
The current Mrs. De Waart met the Maestro 10 yrs ago while she was a Santa fe apprentice and he was conducting there. They have children and recently moved back to Wisconsin from Hong Kong.
I got the email too, and it was definitely Dutoit, and the paramour was an Asian BOY! This story wouldn't be interesting if it were just another conductor dalliance with a female.
An Asian boy who needs to be told not to carry liquids in his purse?
Careful, anonymous, or an Asian boy may whack you with his beaded clutch!
I don't get it, is there or is there not currently a Madame Dutoit?
Anonymous: Not that it should go to your head, but, who are you?
I thought Madame Cieca doesn't allow "anonymous" comments anymore, what happened? Why am I still reading you, Anonymous?
Isn't Dutoit 100 years old?
Dutoit is also the father of at least one child by a famous Argentine pianist.
How is de Waart not a world-class conductor?
Ego Divorce(Edo De Waart) is as far from "world class" as I am from the moon. I heard even when he had the big gigs he was below average at best. Now that he's in HK, he's a joke. Please lets not mention him the same breath as Dutoit, Maazel, Barenboim.
I have heard Edo De Waart many, many times (in fact, more times than I care to recall) because he had an unsuccessful tenure with the Minnesota Orchestra.
His music-making was dull and unimaginative, and there was no area of the repertory in which he excelled.
He was not successful here with the musicians of the orchestra or the musical community or the audience.
Everyone here breathed a huge sigh of relief when he left.
I wonder when the people of Hong Kong can also have that same sense of relief? He is the worst thing to happen to Hong Kong. Well, Edo De Farce and SARS, but SARS is gone, and gramps is still here.
If this e-mail thing is true, we don't need to trying to guess which conductor it is. The original e-mail would be forwarded to everyone faster than we write a comment here.
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