Onegin, you're pissing on my shoelace
La Cieca is distressed to inform you that her YouTube account comprising 90 videos has been suspended. The cause of the action was a series of DMCA complaints from someone called "ByOnegin S.L." who claimed "infringement" from three videos featuring Mariella Devia and Montserrat Caballe. La Cieca is naturally distressed that all these favorite videos of hers should be unavailable on YouTube, but she pledges she will re-establish her presence there, thanking you in advance for your patience and support. In the meantime, she reminds you that there are some favorite clips still available at Google Video.
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This PERSON or ENTITY is destroying all the light and beauty in the world!!! WE MUST DESTROY THEM!!! Ok, that might be a little overboard, but seriously, who IS this person who is wreaking havoc on Teh UTyb??????
Don't they realise that these clips are bringing people who weren't interested in opera into the fray??? I PERSONALLY know about 15 people who had never seen an opera in their lives who found stuff while loating around YouTube, and are now buying tickets for upcoming seasons at opera companies. It is ABSURD and SELF-DAMAGING to this PERSON who thinks they are being filched out of some $$$$ by these lovely clips on YouTube. Art is, after all, somewhat of an altruistic endeavor - you must share with people to get thim interested - it's like drugs. The First One's Free baby, then you gotta PAY B#@*H!!
But it's True. Why oh Why oh WHY??? Horrible.
Dear Cieca:
What a disservice you have done ByOnegin.... I saw a clip of Caballe's Norma at La Cieca's YouTube account, saw what it was and went and bought it! Same with a clip of Semiramide. There may have been more videos I would have been interested to buy ....by the way dear La Ciec
I've also purchased some CD's based on La Cieca's postings.
How does it work with YouTube? Can anyone object to a posting? Do you have to show exclusive ownership of the clip? If it's ok with Devia or Caballe, can anyone else object?
I am really disappointed to hear this. It is because of your video's I first learned about Diana Soviero.
The bastid. I swear...I hope everything has worked out. You have really enlightened me musically with your videos.
Perhaps is a disgruntled opera queen with a bone to pick with la cieca...i won't name any "namen"
But srsly, even copyrighted stuff should just be left alone. You can't exactly post an entire film or performance on youtube and it's not very enjoyable to try to watch an entire opera in a tiny tiny window. More likely than not, people will be induced to BUY. There's stuff on youtube that literally cannot be found anywhere else...these aren't exactly beyonce videos. Perhaps opera clips that are copyrighted should have "official" accounts, much like certain tv networks have.
Oh, that's too bad, Cieca. And to think, Youtube's your bread and butter.
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OMG WTF!!!!!!!! One of my favorite posters who had Cossotto and Simionato videos also had all their videos removed. I can't believe anyone would do that to La Cieca! That offender must die!!!!
Revenge Plan:
Step 1: Douse his house in gasoline.
Step 2: Burn his house along with his copyrights.
Step 3: Kidnap his children and brainwash them into becoming the reformers of anti-copyright laws.
Step 4: As an alternative plan, if his children are copyright lovers too, we place them in a room with hungry Rottweilers.
Damn!!!!
Um, Yikes a little, papardelle con sugo. DOWN GIRL.
It sucks, indeed.
It DOES seem that having these things posted would HELP people trying to sell them... Stupid people. It's probably a manager of some opera house somewhere. =)
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Keep the faith, La Cieca. We're behind you.
Devia_Fan: the problem is that the notice request proof that I have copyright, which of course I don't. Simply asserting that Onegin does not is not enough.
Better, I think, not to retaliate in kind: what we hope for is as many videos on YouTube as possible.
There are procedures under the DCMA that allow you to counteract withdrawals of materials that are alleged to be infringing. It would be a good idea to consult a lawyer regarding these procedures. I agree that the loss of the videos is a tragedy, but best to take the correct legal avenue to try to get them reinstated.
La Cieca, of course you are right the goal is not to limit the number of opera videos available on the internet. I personally do not have an account on YouTube, but I enjoy the way it makes it possible to bring in new opera lovers. Nor do I really wish to deny performers their hard earned royalties.
However, the economist in me also does not like the way so many of these laws and companies are utilized to totally control a market and keep out competition, in a way that I sometimes think is detrimental to the artists themselves, and to developing artists.
Fox is a classic example in how the media has been used to completely control the way all information is transmitted to us. The internet has offered away around it, and it really gets under my skin when I smell something that might just be a bullying tactic from an egotistical poster, that's all.
To some extent, I feel like you have a right to know exactly who your accuser is, seeing as in the real world, they would serve you with a formal notice stating exactly who they are.
But thats an Opinion. I am not an attorney, nor would I want you or anyone else here to get into an unecessary legal conflict.
For those who are interested, please take a look at this website, dedicated to keeping the avenues of competition open.
FAQ about Copyright and Fair Use -- Chilling Effects Clearinghouse
Pay special attention to the section on fair use. Most of what I see on YouTube I believes honestly qualifies, since the goal is to get commentary and criticism. It is not for profit, and it is not peer to peer file sharing.
I don't really know all the details of your Operazine, and I have only been around a short while, but from what I have read, you just might have a good case, with the basis being to promote, discuss, and comment on particular performers and segments. Not to give the clips away, or to simply hand out copies of the operas.
Anyways, good luck on whatever you decide is the best thing to do. I am sorry you have run into this, along with some other big suppliers of special snippets of opera.
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Onegin65 You know, this is why I have been reluctant in the past to even participate in blogs or internet forums; people do not read the entire exchange or read carefully, and then make snap judgments.
I - Devia_Fan - have not accused you - Onegin65 - of anything. The individual who suggested your name was deviafan a different individual. If you read under the Alessandra Marc post, you will see that I stated I was taken back by the post, because I am NOT the same poster. And if you read through my second post, you will see that I noted that an Onegin65 - perhaps you- ALSO had their account suspended.
The very reason why I felt that La Cieca and others who have had their accounts suspended should be given a real name and face is because of exactly this thing: False accusation. I don't like to either give it, or receive it.
I am bothered about what has happened to you Onegin65 for a lot of reasons, primarily because I am NOT Russian, and I tend to believe in a far more open society where individuals have the right to share and invite discussion about things through digital media.
I am truly sorry about what has happened to you, but it isn't me who made that accusation, it's deviafan who did use your name. I made the mistake of assuming that the names given by the poster were correct because I would have thought the the management would have disclosed that. All I asked was why such an individual would in such a location would own such copyrights.
I can only appologise for foolishly believing the statements made by deviafan.I will gladly remove my posts that followed on that theme, and suggest you as a possible culprit.
Nor do I have an account on YouTube-something I have said before - and I do not post there at this time. I certainly won't bother now, after all this. So what ever is going on there has nothing to do with me.
Obviously,I will also need to dump the name Devia_Fannow, to prevent further confusion with deviafan. Unlike so many posters on the internet, I don't feel the need to have multiple personalities, or have multiple profiles.
For all those who have been offended or feel they have been unjustly treated by Devia_fan, I sincerely appologise. I am impassioned, but not dishonest or wish to spend my time on the internet attacking other posters.
La Cieca, good luck. Sorry to have intensified a kerfuffle.
Devia_Fan NOT deviafan.
Dear Devia_Fan,
I’m sorry. I request you excuse my. I never wanted offend you. I apologize confused you.
What I said on Devia_Fan really went directed to deviafan.
Sincerely,
Onegin65
Dear all,
I cannot allow that deviafan continues defaming and accusing my of whom I haven’t done. Simply accuses me because my alias is just as the company copyright holder - ByOnegin S.L. - that has sent many DMCA who claimed infringement in many accounts in Youtube.
My account onegin65 has cancelled for these DMCA who claimed infringement from ByOnegin S.L. and Opera Australia Limited, also in my account oneguin65 have disabled several videos. If you don’t know me it‘s enough that your search in eMule, Youtube, OperaShare, Google or Yahoo and you will find the hundreds of private videos that I have been spreading for free during years.
I’m not an agent nor owner of any company, I’m not owner of any copyright and I’m not reported nothing to Youtube. I'm only a opera fan.
deviafan is Russian and Russia is a dictatorship where it’s possible accused people without proof. Luckily for many years Spain is a democracy as the USA and defamations they aren't have been allowed
All the best from Madrid, specially to La Cieca
what is going on????? i just checked and youtube removed all but 6 video clips of my beloved Bumbry... what the heck... what y'all doing now????
The YouTube fist-fighting and back-biting intensifies! My own thoughts on the matter are complicated, but one thing is clear - LaC deserves much better treatment!
I'm all for protecting the integrity of artist's material but somehow there seems to be something missing from the copywright laws where no one gets served - not the artists, or the fans.
These clips are just one example- when they are taken back "into the void" who wins?
If it is hard to financially recapture royalties from the issue of these clips there is not a doubt in my mind that they still generate enormous interest in the artists featured, which then do lead to sales of their recordings etc. I know I have purchased several recordings solely because I have become interested in the artist/s on YouTube.
In an age where we can legally tape copywright material from out TV's for personal use - it seems annomylous that these clips can be subject to what is tantamount to a form of commercial censorship where they cannot be viewed elsewhere.
Onegin,
Since that post was target at me... let me have it!
I have no problem saying your name in connection with the youtube account suspensions. I know you wrote me an email with the same song and dance, but the real proof is in the pudding! Have you taken international copywrites out on the name Onegin? I happen to know, several youtubers, Gabba02 and memarks, have done research in that area.
I don't want a war with you, just please stop whatever you are doing.
This is a very small world, and even smaller when it comes to opera lovers. So why fight?
Hugs and Kisses from Russia (?)
Hi deviafan,
I agree with you and your proof are undeniable and convince all people, I recognize that there am lost the game.
I‘m going say you the truth and you it will make happy and will be satisfied because are right and your investigations therefore credit.
Yes, deviafan: I'm a great delinquent of the cyberspace.
Yes, deviafan: I became owner, under falsification, of all copyrigths international on the world.
Yes, deviafan: I have falsely accused all people in Youtube so that suspend his accounts, because hatred all the people on Youtube.
Yes, deviafan: I think that I’m the only person whom he has right upload videos there.
Yes, deviafan: please contacts with some office about cyberspace' crimes because I deserve that they arrest me.
Yes, deviafan: your proof and investigations of your colleagues are certain and consist in your pudding!
Yes, deviafan: I agree that you demand me and they send me to jail.
Yes, deviafan: in case there was Internet in jail, you would do very well in disabled my account in Youtube every time you want.
Sincerely,
Onegin65
PS: I don’t want bother more La Cieca, please for anything on this subject by private email
Onegin,
One last time please!
All sarcasm aside, you have never told us how it is you can always get your accounts reinstated, when the rest of us cannot?
I tried to get my old account back. No luck (the only way was showing proof that I owned the right to the videos of Caballe in Norma from Madrid and the Caballe in Maria Stuarda from Barcelona, and of course I cannot.)
Like I said in a previous post, if I was wrong I am sorry. I am a lover, not a fighter, I did feel very uncomfortable making these accusations, it’s not in my nature. But the thought of another opera fan gagging my cybervoice, that was too much for a simple gay boy to take!
So I had to let everyone know what happened.
So do I think you should rot in a cyber-jail cell…? No. Just hearing the truth would be a nice change of pace. And if not that, then maybe explaining to us how you get your accounts back.
So yes, let’s end it here. If you have anything else to say to me, I’m sure you can find my email.
Best wishes to all…..
Hi there,
deviafan has mentioned me a few times, we have been in correspondence and he has alerted me to this thread. I thought I could offer my view as to what has been going on here.
There is no doubt in my mind that the person who posts videos on youtube under the name Onegin65 and Oneguin65 is the person suspending so many accounts in the last week or so.
He is responsible for suspending the accounts of Gabba02, mekarts, loganfacincy26, and I know he has removed several videos from pdefeeo.
It is true that Onegin65 himself has had his account suspended, and he has had it reinstated many times. The reason his account is suspended is because of complaints by real companies claiming copyright violation for commercially available videos, presumably from the Australian company he mentions. He had my sympathies when this was happening, as I did not want to see so many opera videos disappear. I even wrote to him a long time ago to warn him that some of his videos were in risk of being removed because they had been removed from my own account before.
I had no gripe against Onegin65 before this happened, I enjoyed his videos and had favourited many of them.
So I take no pleasure in telling everyone what this man has done.
What I believe has happened is that in attempting to get his account restored, Onegin65 has managed to get hold of an electronic signature which enabled him to counter all copyright claims. Any time a video was removed and his account suspended, he sent a counter-claim and within weeks his account was restored and his videos reinstated. It didn't take long, though, before Onegin realized the power this gave him. Not only could he reinstate his own videos, he could actually remove the videos of his "rivals".
You see, the way copyright works on youtube is rather unsophisticated. No more than a *claim* of copyright violation is needed to have videos removed and the account suspended. All that is needed along with this claim is a physical or electronic signature. But similarly, if no more than a signature is needed for suspending videos, so is it only needed for reinstating them.
The name that Onegin is using "ByOnegin S.L" was taken out as a copyright by him. I discovered this simply by googling the phrase. I happened upon his website which you can see for yourself:
byoneginsl.wordpress.com
This website links to all his youtube videos and has been up for as long as his account was first suspended. Thus, when he was first suspended, he took out this copyright in order to have an electronic signature in a "company" name and not his own personal name (thus remaining anonymous) and enabling him to restore his account. All emails in recent weeks suspending opera videos have had attached this company name.
I suspect there will be more suspensions in the future as Onegin's meglomania seems to hold no bounds.
You may think, "why would Onegin be so stupid as to take out copyright on a name that gives away his identity if he was going to do this?"
Answer: Simple, this wasn't originally his intention. He took it out simply to restore his own account and only *after* did the idea occur to him to suspend his "rivals".
deviafan is right in highlighting that the videos removed are ones Onegin himself has uploaded in some form, either on youtube or emule.
Don't ask me why Onegin is acting this way, but there is no doubt that he is. I am very sad for it as it is destruction of much beauty, but there is nothing to be done except to let as many people know as possible what is happening.
I hope I have shed some light. Thanks for reading.
Thanks so much for the information Guys. It is sad if it is true that Onegin is getting his jollies out of hurting others.
Please, Onegin, how about easing up now? All we want to do is to enjoy some beautiful music clips in an pretty bleak world. Is that too much to ask?
I notice that Onegin has now made his website password protected. Nevertheless what was there can still be found by googling "byoneginsl" and pressing cache.
He can claim that he has never heard of this name "byoneginsl" all he wants, but there is no doubt that that this website is his. It links to all his youtube videos and it even has his bad mispelling "wellcome". It stretches all conceivability to imagine that someone is "framing" him by producing this circumstantial evidence. And the fact that he is now trying to hide the website (and thus the evidence, so to speak) is the proof of all proofs.
I think it's case closed, isn't it?
Onegin must die!!!!!!!!!
I agree, the case is closed. I don’t know how you could do; you leave all the false traet BUT you forget your website protected passport. Surely, months ago and you forgot.
He was hard decipher this madness. Nevertheless, Gabba, you know, the perfect crime doesn’t exist.
I didn’t know that happened nor why accused me. Now I can accuse surely: Gabba01 02 and 03 is the person to take control of my alias and falsely sends reports to cancel accounts on Youtube. He has explained perfectly since it does.
Please look for this URL: http://byonegin.wordpress.com/.
Copy directly to the bar, is difficult find.
All the best from Madrid
Gosh, you really are a disturbing person Onegin.
Anyone who wants to see the "original" website before Onegin's "fixes" can google "byoneginsl" and press cache and see it all still there.
The great thing about the internet Onegin is you can always recover information from somewhere.
Nice try, pretty pathetic.
Meanwhile, I'm getting somewhat disturbed by this guy's freakery and would like to withdraw from this battle before it stoops even lower. Good luck to all, and I hope something can be done so that we can all go back to just enjoying opera.
Oh my friggin' God!
This protracted cat fight over small online opera videos has created a space time continuum "gayness vortex" of such truly cosmic proportions that I feel I have to go watch Nascar now!!
You know, I had wondered what happened to a lot of vids and user that were mysteriously suspended. now I know. It's realyl too bad that Onegin, or Oneguin, or whoever the hell he is has done this. The beauty of opera on You Tube is that we can all experience operas and/or singers that we may never have a chance to see live, or new singers that we DO still have a chance to see but don't know anything about. I loved LaCieca's vids because everything he put up was first rank singing. I had subscribed to Oneguin's vids, but no longer. I wonder how long it will be before he lays claim to every opera video in the entire world. It's really too bad, but after doing my own research, I have unfortunately come to the same conclusion as Gabba. Oneguin is not being honest, and his lies are woefully transparent. I would seriously implore him to cease his attacks on other YouTube users, because the REAL POINT of all this is that those of us who post on you tube do so to share what we have with others, because we want others to see and hear and (hopefully enjoy) that which we ourselves treasure. I really don't think that this little note will compel him to change his ways or persuade him to rethink his actions, but I felt I had to say something. Three of my MOST FAVORITE vids on You Tube were LaCieca's. I'm sad about it and it really incences me that someone who acts like he loves opera so much would stoop to taking it away from other people.
So sad how it just takes one person to shit in the pool...
Dear All,
I can be a crazy person, a psicopatic person, a terrorist, will deserve die, and all the pretty words that say to me, BUT I’M NOT IDIOT
Gabba insisted from the beginning on cutting my head and thus icontinues.
Now, mystery keeps awake is that I handle an electronic MAGICAL signature, that makes about everything and all powerful, in aim that I’m God!?!? Please Gabba reads less novels about science-fiction.
Also you think that I’m idiot . Why if I’ve those perverse intentions I’m going away expose me create a false company that it takes my nickname? I wanted force suicide on me?
I repeat, anyone can search in eMule, OperaShare, Youtube, Goolge, etc. and verify that per years I’ve given hundreds of videos and recordings BY FREE. I’m knows much in this small Opera’ world in Internet. I've so stupid or so crazy as throw my reputation to the sweepings?
I don’t know the person or people who are behind this, I believe that it‘s a revenge of somebody.
But I want that this clear I‘M NOT THE PERSON WHO IS BEHIND BYONEGIN SL
Regards,
onegin65
Ok, then this BYOneginSL must die! I didn't mean that towards you Onegin65. I love your videos, and please post more of Simionato and Cossotto because I LAV those two women.
Funny isn't it, how Onegin's vids on YouTube are all of a sudden "private videos"? The plot continues to thicken....if you go to Oneguin65's profile on YouTube you will nto see any of his uploaded videos anymore; only his favorites and who he's subscribed to. Wonder if this is due to his wanting to "share" opera with the rest of us?
I'm afraid the whole idea of opera on youtube is becoming an a thing of the past. The best users are gone now, the best videos are one by one slipping away. And it doesn't seem like there are many new users taking their place. I for one, have lost a little interest in uploading again.
hehehe...hey deviafan...look at what someone named HunkaTenor did.
Where is la Cieca?
I want more gossip from the operatic world! :D
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